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Has anyone seen this video? If not, you should. It will send chills down your spine. It is frightening, yet it is also uplifting--especially the end. AMERICA! WAKE UP!!!

This video also supports what I've been saying for years about public education: it is probably the #1 most important tool in the hands of radical leftists and communists to destroy our country. PLEASE watch this video It is long--and hour and a half, but I promise you, it is worth every second to watch.

I watched the documentary and agree with its insights & conclusions. But...I'm pessimistic. No...perhaps I'm realistic because I don't think anything will come of it. Those attacking your country have been so successful and those defending it have been so stripped of all credibility that the battle is lost. Give up.

B.W. started a thread a year ago or so about the subverting of America from the inside but it went nowhere. People just don't care and that is why the USA will continue going downhill just like the rest of Western nations. Do you think I'm harsh? well, let's see how many Americans even bother to watch & comment the video you linked to.

Sorry. I like your country, I really do, but it is quickly killing itself.

FL

Aha... this is the least of it.

America IS doomed. Some very nasty things COULD happen within the next decade...

FL, is right though its not a battle that can really be won anymore. But that doesn't mean you can't still struggle in futilely, albeit valiantly against it.

ClassicalTeacher wrote:Has anyone seen this video? If not, you should. It will send chills down your spine. It is frightening, yet it is also uplifting--especially the end. AMERICA! WAKE UP!!!

This video also supports what I've been saying for years about public education: it is probably the #1 most important tool in the hands of radical leftists and communists to destroy our country. PLEASE watch this video It is long--and hour and a half, but I promise you, it is worth every second to watch.

Thanks for this. I've seen other similar videos like it and I definitely agree with it. I live in America and I see this leftist brainwashing happen every day. It's really sad. I only have a few close friends that agree with me, while the rest of my friends are all extremely liberal and anti-God/Christianity.

I remember a friend of mine once posted something on Facebook. It was two maps of the U.S. One showed the states that had the highest rates of college graduates, while the other map showed the "blue" or left-leaning states. The highlighted states on both map were virtually the same. He was obviously saying that the more educated one is, the more likely one is to be a liberal.

I commented something like "I'm not surprised at all. The educational system is left-leaning, so naturally they're going to be extremely biased in teaching that the liberal view is correct and the most rational."

Nice piece of fictional, radical right wing, anti-(anything left of center) propaganda film!

Scripture and World history....have no conclusions that isolated political ideologies have any power in themselves.
In Revelation...it's the dragon that GIVES power to the beast.

The Bible declares that Men who reject God's Gospel, authority and counsel...and rebel and oppress the poor,
are corrupt, lie, are greedy and shed innocent blood...
...evil spiritual principalities; influence evil men...and we know they will become worse. 2 Tim 3:2-5,13
...But God Is still on His Throne!

There are plenty of right wing states that are guilty of all these things....how much innocent blood has been shed in Iraq?

If you manage to find this biblical right wing utopia ...you can post it at "the Bible and Conservative politics" topic.
The World needs to know.

First : It's sad for the right to use fear to sell books and other media. Fear is not a Christian value...and shows lack of faith in God's sovereignty.

Second: This film insults the intelligence of many non-partisan centerists.

Third: We can clearly see that the enemies of mankind are invisible to the deceived ...and those being deceived.
.... fear, corruption, ignorance, apathy, and greed, hypocrisy, and all Anti-Christian practical doctrines...again.. found on the left and the right.

This country has already gone through a Mc Carthyism carnival already over 60 years ago....wasn't that enough of a lesson?

Our Lord subjected himself under Roman Occupation....and never complained at all.

I thought I would actually find more faith on a "Christian Discussion Board".

Luke 18
Now He was telling them a parable to show that at all times they ought to pray and not to lose heart, 2 saying, “In a certain city there was a judge who did not fear God and did not respect man. 3 There was a widow in that city, and she kept coming to him, saying, ‘[a]Give me legal protection from my opponent.’ 4 For a while he was unwilling; but afterward he said to himself, ‘Even though I do not fear God nor respect man, 5 yet because this widow bothers me, I will give her legal protection, otherwise by continually coming she will [c]wear me out.’” 6 And the Lord said, “Hear what the unrighteous judge *said; 7 now, will not God bring about justice for His elect who cry to Him day and night, [d]and will He delay long over them? 8 I tell you that He will bring about justice for them quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will He find [e]faith on the earth?”
He who is given ears...let him hear.

Mr. Goodman,

What is your purpose here?

Jcg, ClassicalTeacher posts here quite infrequently. I could refer you to the news/politics discussion site she does fequent. I think you'll swiftly find it "unhelpful". But if you're interested, I'll refer you, and if you tell me what your forum name is (use PM, if you prefer), I ncan expedite your being approved.

JC, honestly, no one is going to care a whit about what you have to say if all you do is come on as condescending, demeaning, arrogant and mean spirited. NO one here is your enemy! No one here claims to be perfect. And I can guarantee you that most of the Christians on this site are far more concerned with the spiritual ramifications of what is going on in the world, and far more aware that political answers will always be insufficient and secondary to people wanting their hearts and minds transformed by Jesus.

First : It's sad for the right to use fear to sell books and other media. Fear is not a Christian value...and shows lack of faith in God's sovereignty.

JC, the reality is that those of conservative values are extremely concerned about the direction of our world and society - and not just from a political standpoint. Do they often react imperfectly to their concerns and fears? Absolutely, EVERYONE does - left, right, center - no groups or individuals are consistently correct in their responses, and not necessarily any more moral than any others. There are a lot of persons from all political perspectives that respond, act and sometimes think wrongly, yet their heart may well be in the right place. But as humans, how they enact what is in their minds and hearts is often deeply flawed. Again, across the spectrum.

But, usually, when someone gets on their high horse and begins attacking this group and that, they usually are insistent that some other group or individuals are ultimately more moral than most. It may be a race of people (usually, their own), a political entity (usually, their own party or movement), or religious group, denomination or cult, whatever (usually, the one THEY belong to). But such thinking is a huge fiction - as we are ALL human! And God tells us that ALL men are highly flawed and don't measure up to his standards - ALL of us!

But as to JC's comment about Christians: are we to fear, or not to remember that God is in control, that HIS desires will win out? Of course not. HOWEVER, God allows us to suffer the consequences of our actions, policies, beliefs, etc. This is a corrective, balancing thing, and part of His gift of free will. Though sovereign, He still gives us tremendous choices and ability to impact ourselves, whether for good or for bad. So a lot of concerns expressed by Christians about what is going on, what decisions and actions are being made in our society - these are all things that EVERYONE should be highly concerned over. As for fear, we SHOULD fear things and evils that we, others and our society as a whole unnecessarily bring upon ourselves. And such reasonable concerns and fears are in no way are a denial of God's Sovereignty, but an understanding that God allows consequences - that as our actions, policies and beliefs are enacted, our SOVEREIGN God will allow us to experience consequences in real time - as individuals, societies and a world. What we ARE reasonable to fear are sin and consequences - which are EXACTLY what our sovereign God says we SHOULD fear. So, JC, don't try to spin people's concerns as being a lack of faith or that ANY earthly group has THE definitive, superior take on things ... which is exactly as you have been coming off as being the case.

My advice: Lighten up, man! Get to know people, don't talk down to them, listen, learn and fellowship with your fellow believers. They aren't perfect nor do they claim to be. And so don't act AS IF you are either. As I said, NO one here is your enemy - so please quit acting like it!

JC, honestly, no one is going to care a whit about what you have to say if all you do is come on as condescending, demeaning, arrogant and mean spirited. NO one here is your enemy! No one here claims to be perfect

Can anyone here but me see the hypocrisy of this statement? Someone who does not know me...is judging me..with a quick, cut and paste, and not even one sentence with scripture or anything to back it up. That's all it is here. Falsely Judge, Accuse, critique, condescend.... classic hypocrisy

Why the trial and persecution?...there is not ONE PERSONAL remark in the post...your claims are delusional.
It's amazing that my unbelieving roommates are more accepting and loving...and I LIVE WITH THEM...

That was a friendly statement?...Would you talk to Jesus like that? ...Well you have....I'm part of Him...You have sir....
It's as if we have a different God...and read a different bible...a parallel universe!

JC, the reality is that those of conservative values are extremely concerned about the direction of our world and society - and not just from a political standpoint. Do they often react imperfectly to their concerns and fears? Absolutely, EVERYONE does - left, right, center - no groups or individuals are consistently correct in their responses, and not necessarily any more moral than any others. There are a lot of persons from all political perspectives that respond, act and sometimes think wrongly, yet their heart may well be in the right place. But as humans, how they enact what is in their minds and hearts is often deeply flawed. Again, across the spectrum.

What does this statement have to do with ANYTHING in my post...? Your assertions are false....and your conclusions are false....

1 )My post encourages people to not be afraid....and to pray 2)I have never claimed to be perfect 3) Exhortations to have more faith are Pauline, biblical.
4) I am not on trial..I'm suffering all the abuse here for Christ!

It's sad that you see the world through the lens of your own issues with guilt, and self condemnation, and huge lack of trust in God's judgement....which explains your unnecessary, delusional defensive overreaction responses to a legitimate disagreement with a sham of a story.

The Lord is very merciful and can make you free...but first you need to admit that you have the logs in your eyes. That's the first step to be free from your hypocrisy that hinders our walk with Christ.
May The Lord have mercy ...

Rob wrote:

ClassicalTeacher wrote:Has anyone seen this video? If not, you should. It will send chills down your spine. It is frightening, yet it is also uplifting--especially the end. AMERICA! WAKE UP!!!

This video also supports what I've been saying for years about public education: it is probably the #1 most important tool in the hands of radical leftists and communists to destroy our country. PLEASE watch this video It is long--and hour and a half, but I promise you, it is worth every second to watch.

Thanks for this. I've seen other similar videos like it and I definitely agree with it. I live in America and I see this leftist brainwashing happen every day. It's really sad. I only have a few close friends that agree with me, while the rest of my friends are all extremely liberal and anti-God/Christianity.

I remember a friend of mine once posted something on Facebook. It was two maps of the U.S. One showed the states that had the highest rates of college graduates, while the other map showed the "blue" or left-leaning states. The highlighted states on both map were virtually the same. He was obviously saying that the more educated one is, the more likely one is to be a liberal.

I commented something like "I'm not surprised at all. The educational system is left-leaning, so naturally they're going to be extremely biased in teaching that the liberal view is correct and the most rational."

Well Rob, you are quite correct.

Went to College and came out with my Social Work Degree - what I saw there were timid students who hadn't a clue. Then there were the Proff's - 1960 and 70 radicals teaching their classes like it was still the 60's and 70's with all its racism and BS. Amazing, then the upper level classes where you learn and I quote "be agents for social change." This sounds wonderful but it means Community Organizing - basically get people hooked on entitlements er incentives, ehmmm... and voting Democrat or Socialist... We were trained to demonize the existing social order, with ridicule, organizing many agents for change to rally against what ever - low wages - longer lunch breaks - didn't matter. The goal was to create underdogs in the minds of certain people, rouse them up, so they pit themselves against the status quo to crush it ie change it...

We were taught all about the use of using spurious stats, and math, the ends justified the means, literally to destroy the oppositions credibility viva personal attacks as a constant drumbeat as well as a host of other things, such as constant references to Reagan sticking it to the poor. Anyone republican, conservative, Christian - was the status quo ie the enemy. I objected to all this and stood up against it. I wasn't popular with the Proff's but made the classes lively but the students lived in mortal fear of bad grads. Well I graduated just below the top of the class and earned the respect of the radical elite Proff's. My last final exam was a Blue Book one and the question was to explain why there are no absolutes or moral absolutes. I wrote my answer in about 3 minutes, got up, turned in the Exam. Left early midst the stares of amazement of classmates and the Proff's ... Only person to get an A plus 25 extra points. My answer went something like this:

You are flying over the middle of the Pacific Ocean at 20,000 feet and decide to Jump but naked out of the plane without a parachute. After hitting the water you'll be absolutely dead; therefore absolutes do exist. The morality of the story is that there are some things you don't jump into; therefore, there are moral absolutes.

The End

What I see in schools is what the upper level classes and books I read taught on was - Evolutionary Socialism - a pre-planned plan to take over the schools first and insert Evolutionary Socialism didactical thought of social justice in order to create agents for future social change - slow but Evolutionary Social Change into the image of a kinder gentler Marxism/Fascism. I read the books the people wrote on how to accomplish this and had to attend Teacher Certified Training courses to see how it is being done and write reports on it (teacher response)! Next, course of action that Evolutionary Socialist to take was to take over the news media and President Kennedy warned us about this and tried to stop it during a (I think it was a) 1962 in a speech concerning the media. If you do not know what' didactical thought' is I can enlighten you more but I wrote enough. Third was, take over a major political party in the USA. This began in earnest late 1960s and early 1970's especially after the 1968 Democratic National Convention riot. The other order I get mixed up - set up government run Health Care - and implement educational changes in the military - pack the courts with evolutionary socialist judges (agents for social change). There is more and the text books are out there...

One thing we learned was from the 'Art of War' - dehumanize your opponents in the eyes of your prospective target populace so that they chant your slogans and turn into the critical mass to be the agents for social change. Nothing has changed - the left still does this and we have evidence of this on this forum. Listento the left and what they call Christians, conservatives, Republicans , in fact anyone who will not obey their political whims... You push- shove - especially after you got all the guns...

Sick stuff when you are targeted as the enemy and the lefts antics and unwarranted vitriol hate is increasing. These are not nice folks but rather people with an agenda that does not care one itoa about the poor and needy other than use them to gain absolute power then those poor and needy - not needed anymore and they are toast. Why - drain on the states financial resources. That's why you need Govt run health care - decrease the excess strain upon the state - euthanasia... justified first for one target group then another...

I ain't making this up - learned it form the radicals themselves... I do regret writing reports on teacher's responses to the New Certified Training courses they had to take - makes me feel ill. At the time I thought it was part of the class but in reality - data collection for some Proff to use and build doctrine off of.
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PS - why did I go into Social Work in the first place was why many do - to help people better themselves cause that is what I like to do. What I discovered in school was far different. My conscience cannot exploit people how the left exploits the Black and Hispanic Communities for vote and nothing more. The career path is about the the same - politics of exploitation where big dollars are or actually helping people with its poor wages, long hours, no fan fare, lot of tears...which takes love - the love of God to endure. I went into Criminal Justice and then into helping the disabled. Like I saw in school about the students mindlessly siting there I see the people not having a clue as to what is coming... What good am I as a Social Worker if I did not stand up and fight against the Left? People don't have a clue...

You all have a nice day...
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Can anyone here but me see the hypocrisy of this statement? Someone who does not know me...is judging me..with a quick, cut and paste, and not even one sentence with scripture or anything to back it up. That's all it is here. Falsely Judge, Accuse, critique, condescend.... classic hypocrisy

No, JC, no one is judging you, but I am pointing out your inflammatory words and attitude.

It's sad that you see the world through the lens of your own issues with guilt, and self condemnation, and huge lack of trust in God's judgment....which explains your unnecessary, delusional defensive overreaction responses to a legitimate disagreement with a sham of a story.

So, you're upset that someone is judging YOU, that doesn't know you, but then YOU - who don't know ME, at all - respond by asserting that I have issues with "guilt, self condemnation, a huge lack of trust in God's judgment" and that I am "delusional." Hmmm, that's not a bit hypocritical? You see, this is exactly the kind of words of yours I was suggesting you dial back. Who would listen to someone demonizing them in such a way?

There are plenty of right wing states that are guilty of all these things....how much innocent blood has been shed in Iraq

See, when you throw out terms like "right wing states," what does that mean? States where people vote more conservatively? "Right wing" is a code word for negative, uncaring, prejudiced, bigoted. To assert that people who vote conservatively are "right wing" are unquestionably unGodly in their thinking, attitudes and beliefs is just plain arrogant and ignorant. How much time have you spent (not on vacation - but actually LIVED) in areas of more conservative thinking/voting? What is right wing? HITLER was right wing! What is left wing - it's not just liberal but EXTREMELY liberal, and intolerant in how they enact their liberalism. In fact, extreme liberals and extreme right wingers (people who want to get and FORCE THEIR way or the highway - or WORSE, have often hateful, damaging beliefs and desire to FORCE down the throats of all others, uncaringly/callously (no matter the means), are just two sides of the same coin - there's not much difference between them.

As for the Iraq War, MANY of conservative views have great concerns about whether or not it was a good idea - (While Saddam HAD to go, if you remove the tyrant holding multiple, tribal, rival-hating factions together. then who is going to stabilize the resulting factional war and chaos?). But make no mistake, the "Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002" was passed by a bipartisan vote of Congress, with 82% of Democratic senators and representatives voting for it. And a very significant international force of U.N. members also took part in the action (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-Nati ... _coalition). So let's not infer that only those of conservative views and politics were for this.

It's sad for the right to use fear to sell books and other media. Fear is not a Christian value...and shows lack of faith in God's sovereignty.

Again, you disparage people who are rightfully and deeply concerned about the direction of our society as merely spreading fear and not trusting God. They don't have the right to author books or give opinions and only those disagree DO? So people of conservative values are spreading fear and hate, are not trusting God? But YOUR ranting about conservative values and your deep concerns that American society (post 1950-1980) has gone off the deep end, on what you see as a terrible trajectory, isn't ALSO mistrusting and dishonoring God? Well, if this is merely a matter of God's sovereignty, that our actions, policies and beliefs ultimately don't matter/aren't worth getting upset over, as He's apparently allowing it, then WHY are you upset about it. Why develop an entire blog to rant about it? You don't seem consistent in whose beliefs, actions and fears (ok, deep concerns) are not trusting God's sovereignty.

JC, here are the REAL problems with your posts:

I thought I would actually find more faith on a "Christian Discussion Board"

Again, disparaging the faith of others based upon your misguided understanding of God's sovereignty. Why are YOU so upset and seeing the huge need for a change in attitudes and policies? Are YOU not trusting God's sovereignty? Your criticisms are HIGHLY inconsistent and selective as to whom is supposedly lacking faith in God.

Dear misguided wanderers in the night:

So you're new to a web forum and that is how you address people. Me thinks your soapbox is just a bit too high.

More examples:

your false assessments is carnival clown laughable....
and adolescent clue-lessness...

It shows your arrogance...that everyone should obviously see the "emperor's clothes"....that are really not there.

Accusing others who disagree with you as having "laughable" opinions, that they possess "adolescent cluelessness" - think people want to listen to what you have to say after you insult them?

And for the board moderators that think they are above the guidelines...it's over the top...here in the land of the Giant hypocrites....

No, what the mods want is a civil, polite, NON-INSULTING discourse. Attacking a person so strongly usually shows an inability to persuade and make powerful points merely upon facts. OR it shows an inability to civilly disagree.

I never thought that it would be difficult for anyone on this forum to coherently answer this ONE question...without ranting. ....What are the coherent, scriptural references .....that are indisputable reasons to decide to
be a staunch, unwavering right wing ideologist and a Christian who loves God? (which is the majority of Christendom)

Wow, so now you're linking those of conservative views - calling them all a "right wing ideologist" - and them asserting that they are not only clueless ideologues, but that your assessment is true of the MAJORITY of all Christians? Can you not see how insulting and presumptuous this is?

what am I as a non-partisan centrist missing......?

You, my friend, are not anywhere NEAR the center, lest you'd be equally balanced in whom you criticize. You make references to various other factions, but you are fixated upon those of conservative Christian values. As for your self description of being "non-partisan" - are you SERIOUS?!!!

See the condescension dripping in your bolded words:

My quotes that you inaptly/ineptly assess pervertedly as "complaining"...

Is actually a written invitation for anyone to first answer the question above.....and be persuaded enough to
consider being a non-partisan centrist....that's what a sober person would glean from the post with a modicum of respectful decency.

Suggestion:Take your hypocrite glasses off first ...before reading...and re-read the post...

Pretend that I know nothing...and lead me there by writing clearly....as to a child...

Speaking down:

I also suggest that everyone that opines here needs to at least agree on basic political theory and definitions....pass a basic test?

..misunderstanding is causing some here to come to bizarre conclusions, labels, and assessments....adding unnecessary stress to simple things that I learned in the sophomore year in high school.....agreed?

JC, for someone who is self-described as being more spiritually concerned, you surely seem obsessed with politics and linking Christians of conservative views to categorically being in opposition to what Scripture teaches. But the real problem the mods have with you is your insulting and disparaging attitude and words. Polite discourse is just fine - no matter how you disagree, as long as you respect others and don't attack Scripture or Christians (CRITICIZING Christians is fine - just do it in the right manner and with a respectful attitude).

[sarcasm] ptc, your post is unhelpful. [/sarcasm]

here are the REAL problems with your posts:

I thought I would actually find more faith on a "Christian Discussion Board"

Again, disparaging the faith of others based upon your misguided understanding of God's sovereignty. Why are YOU so upset and seeing the huge need for a change in attitudes and policies? Are YOU not trusting God's sovereignty? Your criticisms are HIGHLY inconsistent and selective as to whom is supposedly lacking faith in God.JC, for someone who is self-described as being more spiritually concerned, you surely seem obsessed with politics and linking Christians of conservative views to categorically being in opposition to what Scripture teaches. But the real problem the mods have with you is your insulting and disparaging attitude and words. Polite discourse is just fine - no matter how you disagree, as long as you respect others and don't attack Scripture or Christians (CRITICIZING Christians is fine - just do it in the right manner and with a respectful attitude).

Philip...I believe that you mean well here...
But ...again..your assessments of my assessments that you cherry-picked out of context is......circular reasoning.

So now...you will claim "that was a harsh statement"......I suppose.

The problem with your assessments...is the obvious hypocrisy about them.

You are claiming to not be judging...while you are judging......and you cannot see this.

"Condescending"... "talking down" ....is your personal judgement against me...

So... If I destroy the weapon that was formed against me.....I am in error?

But ...I have noticed that you are UNABLE to discern a sharp statement against an action or a statement....but not being against the person....
EG....if I write..."your claim is delusional"....you read it as ....he called ME delusional....

Also your assessments erroneously assume that my comments are made to all { Christians, Republicans, etc.} who read them...

NO... my comments...are to those ...who are the hypocrites....in those groups....

Your problem is assuming that people will assess the same things that you do......when they read them...and that is ...you know..

So actually I am embarrassed for you that you cannot see this.

All your cherry-picked statements that I wrote; attack a statement that a person made and/or the hypocrisy and error of their assessments......NOT the person....

But yet...I am being judged ...personally by you....and It's here for all to see.

PS....when the Lord Jesus...said...Oh Ye Of Little Faith....was He disparaging them.....as you accused me of.....?
Or was He helping them....and I with His gifts as well......................

....As for hypocrisy...I believe that Jesus clearly teaches us to strongly oppose it...it is very dangerous and serious..
My remarks that you have cherry picked....are my opposition to hypocrisy.

If you had cancer....and I didn't tell you that you had it....would that be loving?.....

I will not disobey the Lord...just to keep guidelines that just let Biblical hypocrisy slide by....

Jesus was kicked out of Synagogues...and this is an E - Synagogue......

But I won't disobey the Lord....for a commandment of men........

It's sad that you see the world through the lens of your own issues with guilt, and self condemnation, and huge lack of trust in God's judgment....which explains your unnecessary, delusional defensive overreaction responses to a legitimate disagreement with a sham of a story.

Philip....hypocrisy...does have a reason behind it....and I gave logical explanations for them....Yes...it could be other than I assessed....but..there is A REASON.....for hypocrisy
to always unjustly throw the first stone.

Let's see, you said...

jcgood wrote:But ...I have noticed that you are UNABLE to discern a sharp statement against an action or a statement....but not being against the person....EG....if I write..."your claim is delusional"....you read it as ....he called ME delusional...

Then you said,

jcgood wrote:It's sad that you see the world through the lens of your own issues with guilt, and self condemnation, and huge lack of trust in God's judgement....which explains your unnecessary, delusional defensive overreaction responses to a legitimate disagreement with a sham of a story.

Notice that you did say - your unnecessary, delusional... Therefore your prior statement is invalid...as you are calling folks delusional... have you not?

Next you stated this...

jcgood wrote:"Condescending"... "talking down" ....is your personal judgement against me...

What do you call the nature of this statement?

jcgood wrote:NO... my comments...are to those ...who are the hypocrites....in those groups....

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Jcgood,

Please answer my question.

What is your purpose for being on this forum?