Evidence for God from Science

...Back in early 1862, a British orchid grower sent Charles Darwin a series of orchids from Madagascar, which included the beautiful and star-shaped flower of Angraecum sesquipedale. This has an exceptionally long nectary (getting on for 30 cm) and in a book on orchid pollination, Darwin suggested that this extreme feature may have evolved alongside a moth with an exceptionally long tongue to pollinate it.

He wrote to a friend at Kew "I have just received such a Box full from Mr Bateman with the astounding Angraecum sesquipedalia [sic] with a nectary a foot long. Good Heavens what insect can suck it", and in a second letter just a few days later suggested "in Madagascar there must be moths with probosces capable of extension to a length of between ten and eleven inches [25.4–27.9cm]". Here was a firm prediction and one that has become famous in evolutionary circles, but hard to confirm.

While we now recognise the idea of such co-evolution to be common and well known (and indeed, the pollinator-flower interactions are a great example of this), it was at the time a novel suggestion. More specifically it was also a new prediction – although other related orchids were known to be a food source for hawkmoth species, none with such a prodigious tongue needed to deal with A. sesquipedale was known in Madagascar.

Darwin was postulating the existence of an otherwise unknown species of insect based purely on the size of the flower and his understanding of the evolution and ecology or orchids and insects. As it happens a candidate moth had been catalogued from the Congo region of Africa in the 1830s (Xanthopan morganii), but that is some distance from Madagascar and Darwin can hardly have known about it at the time.

In 1907, more than 20 years after Darwin's death, a subspecies of the gigantic Congo moth from Madagascar was identified and named as X. morganii praedicta apparently fulfilling Darwin's prediction (the name indicating that it was predicted, though actually in the paper naming the moth Darwin wasn't mentioned). The moth is large at around 16cm in wingspan, but the proboscis is truly colossal and can be more than 20cm in length forming a huge coil in front of the head when not in use. However, while there was now an orchid with a long nectary and a moth with a huge tongue, the question remained: did X. morganii praedicta really feed on A. sesquipedale?

It wasn't until 1992, nearly a century later, that observations were made of the moth feeding on the flower and transferring pollen from plant to plant with both videos and stills being taken. This was observed in the wild and confirmed further with studies in captivity.

Thus more than 130 years after Darwin first suggested that a large moth pollinated an African orchid, his hypothesis was confirmed. It took quite some time, but quite clearly Darwin's prediction, based on extremely limited evidence but bolstered by his understanding of his own new theory of natural selection, was correct...

Thadeyus wrote:And here I was hoping there was a "Ba-boom, Tish!" smiley/emote to go along with Danieltwotwenty's last post.

Ah well....

Very much cheers to all.

Danieltwotwenty wrote:So what came first the moth or the orchid.

neo-x wrote:

Danieltwotwenty wrote:So what came first the moth or the orchid.

what do you mean dan?

Danieltwotwenty wrote:

Thadeyus wrote:And here I was hoping there was a "Ba-boom, Tish!" smiley/emote to go along with Danieltwotwenty's last post.

Ah well....

Very much cheers to all.

Haha yea it was very tongue in cheek because we all know that moths didn't evolve from orchids sheesh! They just have a common ancestor.

Danieltwotwenty wrote:Interesting stuff Neo it makes sense from the moth perspective, but why would the orchid grow a longer and longer trumpet, what selective pressures were involved in that process. What advantage does the flowers trumpet length give it.

Pollination is a key part of the life cycle of flowering plants – pollen must get from one plant to another in order to fertilise the ova, but being unable to move makes the whole job rather tricky. Some plants rely on the wind and simply produce masses of pollen in the expectation that some will blow onto the right flower eventually.

Others, including orchids, take a more direct route – luring insects to them with deceptive signals or rewards of nectar and then dumping pollen on them. If the insect (or indeed bird, bat or other carrier) visits another flower of the same species shortly afterwards, the pollen will be delivered. Some species of plants and insect evolve complex relationships where both can benefit – if the insect is the only one that can access the nectar it is guaranteed food others are denied, while the flower further reduces the risk of misdelivered pollen and can cut back on its investments.

Danieltwotwenty wrote:Ok I see now, so specialisation is important for maintaining a more pure pollination process.

Sorry I should have read the full article, thanks for taking the time to explain.

neo-x wrote:

Danieltwotwenty wrote:Ok I see now, so specialisation is important for maintaining a more pure pollination process.

Sorry I should have read the full article, thanks for taking the time to explain.

Great, you should check out the evolution resource thread I started.