Neo wrote:
Just because I am not a mod, doesn't mean I don't care about the board or its interests
I never said you didn't.
I don't know why you keep comparing ken ham to me. That guy is deranged, rick.
There's nothing wrong with being a little deranged, Neo.
I told you why I compared you to Ken Ham. Ken Ham says OECs take science over scripture. You said creationists take our favorite pastor's words over evidence. Ken Ham asserts YEC is true, dogmatically. You asserted evolution is true, dogmatically.
Further if you hold creation to be true cant I have my pick?
Absolutely.
I don't see why you have a problem with what I perceive to be true.
I don't, if you put it that way. Key word is perceive.
If evolution as you say, didn't happen then you have nothing to worry about. If evolution is not a fact, how is that hurting you rick?
Whether or not some, or all of evolution as you understand evolution happened, it doesn't affect my faith one bit. Unless of course you are agreeing with evolutionists that say life formed without God. If that were true, then it would affect my faith greatly.
Why would you have any problems with what I think? That is the part I can't understand.
Other than just disagreement with some of what you think, I have no problem with what you think. The problem is with the way you are saying it, Neo.
There is nothing in that thread which is against the board's interest, it is against creationism but I don't think there is any official policy on that, i mean to ban discourse which tries to prove otherwise.
Telling me "If anything view evidence not your favorite pastor." is not against this boards purpose?
If i have offended you personally then by all means you have my sincere apologies and I mean that; but I don't make any apology for the content I posted.
Neo, you have not offended me personally. Well, I guess saying I don't look at evidence, could be taken as a personal insult, so apology accepted.
As for the agenda thing, i have no idea what that means or why you use that word.
I explained to you why I said that here:
And I said it's STARTING to look more like you have an agenda here.
When you post things like "evolution is a fact", and "look at evidence instead of your favorite pastor", then it's starting to look like you feel your duty is to educate us ignorant creationist folk. It's one thing to present evolution, whatever version of it you want, as your belief or opinion. It's another to claim all you believe about evolution is a fact, and that those that disagree with you don't look at evidence, instead we listen to our favorite pastor. I know it's difficult for you to comprehend, but there are people who understand evolution, and still disagree with some of what you're saying.
For a board that has the word science in it, it is awfully restrictive at the moment to actually quote science.
You're coming across as saying creationists views of science aren't really science.
As for the 'crap' you have looked at some of the links, i can't control how people say things outside of myself. The articles i listed don't aim to bash for the sake of it, all the articles give points and studies and research.
But you can be more discerning with what you post in a strictly educational/reference thread. If it were a thread which encouraged discussion in the thread, then it may be different.
On that note some of you guys bash evolution, should that be held against you then?
If I started a thread which I wanted to just explain what creationism is, for others to understand, and the links I posted bashed evolutionists, then yes, It would be fair to hold that against me.
Its a Christian board, not a creation only board, if Christians like me who reject creationism, can't speak their mind then its a problem.
I agree. If after my answers to your statements here, you still think I'm trying to stop you from speaking your mind, then either you aren't listening to me, or I'm doing a terrible job of communicating. I'm not trying to stop you from posting your beliefs.
Rick, this goes without saying that I have always respected you. And this day's events have left me feeling very awkward. How shall we salvage the situation?
Hopefully this reply is helping.
You know what? I had a change of heart, go ahead and delete all the posts you found insulting... There, you have it. I say this because I have just realized that as much as I am in the evolution side of things and want people to know more about it especially Christians like me, I would not want to offend you or leave our benign acquaintance with a sour taste. I don't want to be like that. You have been a dear brother, You have always been nice to me, so there, I wouldn't even mind if you delete the thread now, should you so require. That is as much honest as I can be. And with that peace to you. Consider this complain of mine closed, I withdraw it. No explanation needed further, do as you see fit, I will trust your judgment, Rick.
Thank you for the kind words Neo. They mean a lot. If I find anything in your links that I have a problem with, I'll simply point it out. Unless it's something extremely offensive, there's no reason for me to delete the link.
And I apologize if I gave you the impression that I want to stop you from posting your beliefs. As long as I've been a moderator here, I've been very lenient on what I allow to be posted. I really do not like to take away anyone's freedom to post his opinion.
'Twas making a joke.