A good response to atheist's OT "evil" God objection
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:43 pm
Hey everyone, for the past few weeks I've been studying heavily on the web about Noah's flood. Specifically I've been studying about what took place in Genesis chapter 6 where it says " that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were fair; and they took for themselves wives of all whom they chose."
The view that many believers as well as pastors and scholars take is the sethite theory or the view that these "sons of God" were merely common men from the line of Seth. But another view that has gained ground in the past few decades and from after studying this myself I'm very fascinated and somewhat convinced as of now of it and that is the "fallen angels" view.
In which the Gen. 6:2 refers the "Sons of God" are actually the fallen angels who are now a part of satan's gang if you will, and they came in and had sexual relations with common women and the children they produced were known as the Nephilim. Many of the nephilim were the giants that the Bible talks about many times in the old testament like Goliath and his brothers.
Those and from what I've also have seen, some of these other nephilim offspring could have been somewhat normal sized beings but their heads were longer than average human heads and are almost cone shaped. I'll get to that again later.
Before I go further the stuff I"m studying from is by a guy by the name of Lynn Marzulli or L.A. Marzulli. At the bottom of this post I'll include some links to some of his podcasts and videos of this material.
But anyway, he believes that right after the fall of mankind in the garden, God tells satan that Eve's seed will crush his head so in response to that, satan and his fallen angels try to pollute the gene pool by mixing their genetics with the genetics of humans and producing nephilim and by out breeding mankind and even killing off mankind (hence the earth during the days of Noah was filled with violence) if satan was able to do so would have prevented God from sending Christ in to redeem mankind since there would have been no mankind to redeem.
So when satan was at the cusp of fulfilling that in the days of Noah God sent the flood to wipe out the nephilim and to preserve the only genetically pure individuals which were Noah and his family.
Then after the flood satan tries to do the same thing in places like Soddom and Gormorrah and in the promised land and as Marzulli notes, each and every time you are dealing with the Nephilim there is no grace and mercy with God.
Because of these odd offspring who according to Marzulli probably have no possible interest in salvation or changing their ways because by nature they are in a fixed state and from what I can see may not even have freewill or souls for that matter, God either through His supernatural power or through the ancient Israelite soldiers wipe these people out including women and children.
This is the thing I like most about this view and that it gives the best answer I have seen to the atheist objection of God being a "moral monster" especially in the Old Testament where this apparent loving, kind and merciful God decides to wipe whole tribes of people off the face of the earth without a second thought.
To show even further that this view is very accurate, take the story of Jonah for instance, where he goes to Nineveh, according to what I've learned, the people of Nineveh were probably some of the most sadistic and barbarian groups of people ever recorded. When you would enter their gates you would be greeted by a line of stakes in the groud with the heads of intruders and other victims nesting on top of the stakes. They would skin people alive and tack their skin to the walls to show it off.
But unlike in the flood (which by the way there is no clear indication in the OT that Noah preached to crowds of people prior to the flood) and unlike in Sodom and Gomorrah and in the promised land, there is grace and mercy with people of Nineveh and people repented and changed their ways.
To most people especially atheists, this would not make much sense, even to many Christians like myself this apsect about God in the Old testament didn't make much sense. But once you factor in the nephilim, then things begin to make more sense. Because again, these beings were at the very least not fully human and at the very most they were almost like impersonal satanic robots that were hellbent on the destruction of the human race in an attempt to thwart God's plan of human redemption.
So when this is taken into account, it seems very clear that the God of the Old Testament as well as the God of the New Testament are indeed one and the same, God doesn't have anger problems, He doesn't have mood swings. He is very loving and merciful and the only time ever that He commits any form of so called genocide is when it is against not human beings, but by the Nephilim who are again, in a fixed impersonal state of evil, they are basically satan's robots if you will who are not interested in repentance or salvation in any way.
In conclusion, this stuff also ties in with end times events as well. I may start another thread that deals with that here fairly soon. But as for now I'll leave you with some links to L. A. Marzulli's radio interviews and presentations. The first link is the presentation video where he shows some of the long skulls from what I think is the "brainy" forms of Nephilim and shows the megalithic structures that were built by the "brawny giant" forms of the Nephilim.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OukndZwjoAA
And here are some links to some of his radio interviews where he does talk some about how this thing clears up this deal that atheists and others bring up about the Old Testament God being evil or two faced.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uc7CZz2T54
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1ULNDILFRY
The view that many believers as well as pastors and scholars take is the sethite theory or the view that these "sons of God" were merely common men from the line of Seth. But another view that has gained ground in the past few decades and from after studying this myself I'm very fascinated and somewhat convinced as of now of it and that is the "fallen angels" view.
In which the Gen. 6:2 refers the "Sons of God" are actually the fallen angels who are now a part of satan's gang if you will, and they came in and had sexual relations with common women and the children they produced were known as the Nephilim. Many of the nephilim were the giants that the Bible talks about many times in the old testament like Goliath and his brothers.
Those and from what I've also have seen, some of these other nephilim offspring could have been somewhat normal sized beings but their heads were longer than average human heads and are almost cone shaped. I'll get to that again later.
Before I go further the stuff I"m studying from is by a guy by the name of Lynn Marzulli or L.A. Marzulli. At the bottom of this post I'll include some links to some of his podcasts and videos of this material.
But anyway, he believes that right after the fall of mankind in the garden, God tells satan that Eve's seed will crush his head so in response to that, satan and his fallen angels try to pollute the gene pool by mixing their genetics with the genetics of humans and producing nephilim and by out breeding mankind and even killing off mankind (hence the earth during the days of Noah was filled with violence) if satan was able to do so would have prevented God from sending Christ in to redeem mankind since there would have been no mankind to redeem.
So when satan was at the cusp of fulfilling that in the days of Noah God sent the flood to wipe out the nephilim and to preserve the only genetically pure individuals which were Noah and his family.
Then after the flood satan tries to do the same thing in places like Soddom and Gormorrah and in the promised land and as Marzulli notes, each and every time you are dealing with the Nephilim there is no grace and mercy with God.
Because of these odd offspring who according to Marzulli probably have no possible interest in salvation or changing their ways because by nature they are in a fixed state and from what I can see may not even have freewill or souls for that matter, God either through His supernatural power or through the ancient Israelite soldiers wipe these people out including women and children.
This is the thing I like most about this view and that it gives the best answer I have seen to the atheist objection of God being a "moral monster" especially in the Old Testament where this apparent loving, kind and merciful God decides to wipe whole tribes of people off the face of the earth without a second thought.
To show even further that this view is very accurate, take the story of Jonah for instance, where he goes to Nineveh, according to what I've learned, the people of Nineveh were probably some of the most sadistic and barbarian groups of people ever recorded. When you would enter their gates you would be greeted by a line of stakes in the groud with the heads of intruders and other victims nesting on top of the stakes. They would skin people alive and tack their skin to the walls to show it off.
But unlike in the flood (which by the way there is no clear indication in the OT that Noah preached to crowds of people prior to the flood) and unlike in Sodom and Gomorrah and in the promised land, there is grace and mercy with people of Nineveh and people repented and changed their ways.
To most people especially atheists, this would not make much sense, even to many Christians like myself this apsect about God in the Old testament didn't make much sense. But once you factor in the nephilim, then things begin to make more sense. Because again, these beings were at the very least not fully human and at the very most they were almost like impersonal satanic robots that were hellbent on the destruction of the human race in an attempt to thwart God's plan of human redemption.
So when this is taken into account, it seems very clear that the God of the Old Testament as well as the God of the New Testament are indeed one and the same, God doesn't have anger problems, He doesn't have mood swings. He is very loving and merciful and the only time ever that He commits any form of so called genocide is when it is against not human beings, but by the Nephilim who are again, in a fixed impersonal state of evil, they are basically satan's robots if you will who are not interested in repentance or salvation in any way.
In conclusion, this stuff also ties in with end times events as well. I may start another thread that deals with that here fairly soon. But as for now I'll leave you with some links to L. A. Marzulli's radio interviews and presentations. The first link is the presentation video where he shows some of the long skulls from what I think is the "brainy" forms of Nephilim and shows the megalithic structures that were built by the "brawny giant" forms of the Nephilim.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OukndZwjoAA
And here are some links to some of his radio interviews where he does talk some about how this thing clears up this deal that atheists and others bring up about the Old Testament God being evil or two faced.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uc7CZz2T54
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1ULNDILFRY
All I was trying to do was point out what I thought was wrong with the whole concept for the sake of biblical accuracy. I understand we differ in our viewpoints, but I think the rant about doomsaying pastors and giving money to false preachers was not at all helpful in conveying your point to me. As far as your evaluation of me, I am just a young man, not quite college age, who lives with his bible believing parents, and who loves God and loves His word. I don't even go to church as my family has not currently found one that we want to go to, so we do have a high biblical standard of who we are willing to be under as members of a church. I do not believe in a malicious God, and I do not believe He is malicious for killing the people He did in the OT as they were absolutely evil, even to the point of child sacrifice. I believe God is the same throughout the Bible and for all eternity. Now that I have established that, I just hope maybe we can reason about the matters at hand and be friendly about it and keep the unity of the Holy Spirit. I'd be more than willing to establish a pleasant correspondence between us, so if you want to continue the conversation peacefully and casually feel free to respond. I'll be checking the forum. 
