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Could Jesus Christ have saved us if He had only been human?
Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 10:45 am
by Christian2
Could Jesus Christ have saved us if He had only been human, instead of God-man?
Since Jesus Christ was sinless wouldn't He be an appropriate, acceptable and legal ransom?
Does it violate the meaning of "atonement" for God, who is the offended party, to pay the price of sin to Himself?
Re: Could Jesus Christ have saved us if He had only been hum
Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 11:36 am
by Furstentum Liechtenstein
Christian2 wrote:Could Jesus Christ have saved us if He had only been human, instead of God-man?
No. Jesus Son-of-Joseph would not have been the Christ.
Christian2 wrote:Since Jesus Christ was sinless wouldn't He be an appropriate, acceptable and legal ransom?
A Jesus Son-of-Joseph would
not have been sinless, see Ps 51:5.
Christian2 wrote:Does it violate the meaning of "atonement" for God, who is the offended party, to pay the price of sin to Himself?
How so?
FL
Re: Could Jesus Christ have saved us if He had only been hum
Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 11:50 am
by Christian2
Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:Christian2 wrote:Could Jesus Christ have saved us if He had only been human, instead of God-man?
No. Jesus Son-of-Joseph would not have been the Christ.
Christian2 wrote:Since Jesus Christ was sinless wouldn't He be an appropriate, acceptable and legal ransom?
A Jesus Son-of-Joseph would
not have been sinless, see Ps 51:5.
Christian2 wrote:Does it violate the meaning of "atonement" for God, who is the offended party, to pay the price of sin to Himself?
How so?
FL
Someone might say because sinners are supposed to pay for their own sins.
Re: Could Jesus Christ have saved us if He had only been hum
Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:13 pm
by Furstentum Liechtenstein
Christian2 wrote:Someone might say because sinners are supposed to pay for their own sins.
That would be another Gospel: it would not be Christianity.
FL
Re: Could Jesus Christ have saved us if He had only been hum
Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 5:41 pm
by PeteSinCA
Christian2 wrote:Someone might say because sinners are supposed to pay for their own sins.
How? When never sinning is the way one is supposed to be at all times, how could some one pay for their sins?
Re: Could Jesus Christ have saved us if He had only been hum
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 6:47 am
by Byblos
Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:Christian2 wrote:Someone might say because sinners are supposed to pay for their own sins.
That would be another Gospel: it would not be Christianity.
Exactly. If sinners are supposed to pay for their own sins, heaven will be a very lonely place.
Re: Could Jesus Christ have saved us if He had only been hum
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:25 am
by Christian2
Byblos wrote:Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:Christian2 wrote:Someone might say because sinners are supposed to pay for their own sins.
That would be another Gospel: it would not be Christianity.
Exactly. If sinners are supposed to pay for their own sins, heaven will be a very lonely place.
Hi Byblos, I'm dealing with someone who is not a trinitarian, but he believes Jesus would be the perfect sacrifice because He was sinless. I think he might as well go sacrifice a lamb -- why involve a man (Jesus) at all?
Re: Could Jesus Christ have saved us if He had only been hum
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:12 am
by Seraph
I think Jesus being sinless was a byproduct of being God, not the quality that made Him worthy to be the sacrifice for humanity. Ultimately, it was the fact that He was God that made Him worthy of being a savior, though He not being guilty of sin was necessary as well.
Re: Could Jesus Christ have saved us if He had only been hum
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:00 am
by Byblos
Christian2 wrote:Byblos wrote:Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:Christian2 wrote:Someone might say because sinners are supposed to pay for their own sins.
That would be another Gospel: it would not be Christianity.
Exactly. If sinners are supposed to pay for their own sins, heaven will be a very lonely place.
Hi Byblos, I'm dealing with someone who is not a trinitarian, but he believes Jesus would be the perfect sacrifice because He was sinless. I think he might as well go sacrifice a lamb -- why involve a man (Jesus) at all?
I always ask the following question and I have yet to receive an answer that even comes close to rationality. If Jesus were a mere man, why was any of the OT prophets not good enough? Why not Abraham or Isaac or Jacob? Why not Moses? Why the parade of prophets over thousands of years? The answer is simply because they were mere men. God does the saving in more than words, He actually DID the saving.
Re: Could Jesus Christ have saved us if He had only been hum
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 12:04 pm
by PaulSacramento
The point of Christ paying for our sins is because we simply CAN NOT do it.
Our very act of trying makes the act null and void since it is base don self-interest rather than true repentance.
Here is the paradox of what Christ did:
Humans ( like Adam) spent all their time trying to be like God ( find immortality, do everything, go everywhere, know everything, etc) that they fail to notice that God GAVE UP everything to be one of Us.
Re: Could Jesus Christ have saved us if He had only been hum
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:38 pm
by neo-x
Christian2 wrote:Could Jesus Christ have saved us if He had only been human, instead of God-man?
Since Jesus Christ was sinless wouldn't He be an appropriate, acceptable and legal ransom?
Does it violate the meaning of "atonement" for God, who is the offended party, to pay the price of sin to Himself?
Short answer, No.