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Alleged papyrus on Jesus having a wife

Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:43 pm
by DRDS
Hey everyone, for the past couple of days, this has been a big topic on facebook, and I was curious as to what you all think. Here is the article that it all stems from.

http://mashable.com/2014/04/10/gospel-j ... -main-link

Re: Alleged papyrus on Jesus having a wife

Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 9:27 pm
by neo-x
It was debunked last year I think.

Re: Alleged papyrus on Jesus having a wife

Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 1:07 am
by bippy123
neo-x wrote:It was debunked last year I think.
Correct Neo :)
And on top of that its a gnostic writing which automatically puts its historicity as late and very poor compared to the gospel accounts.

Another sensationalist news piece to hype up the pseudo skeptics for a fe weeks before they come back down to earth . :mrgreen:

Re: Alleged papyrus on Jesus having a wife

Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 5:38 am
by PaulSacramento
As I have stated before, IF Jesus had a wife it would NOT have been viewed as a big deal and there would have been no reason to hide that fact.

Re: Alleged papyrus on Jesus having a wife

Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:18 am
by PeteSinCA
A papyrus fragment that mentions Jesus's wife is likely ancient, probably dating between the sixth and ninth century, latest research shows.

When Karen L. King, the Hollis Professor of Divinity at Harvard Divinity School, announced the fragment's existence in September 2012, there was a widespread debate over its authenticity. The fragment, known as the "Gospel of Jesus’s Wife," probably originated from Egypt. It's written in Coptic and contains the phrase "Jesus said to them, 'my wife...,'" never before seen in any ancient text. It also mentions Jesus's mother and a female disciple, who may be identified as "Mary."
Oy! Jesus lived in and the Gospels were written in the First Century. Further, the Gospels were written in Greek - not Coptic - because that was the universal language understood throughout the Roman Empire. For the sake of historical perspective, Mohamed lived in the 7th Century, so the Qur'an may be older than this papyrus fragment; IOW, it has slightly more credibility than a Dan Brown novel.

It's an archaeological curiosity whose significance is how weird some corners of the church had gotten 5-8 centuries after Jesus lived and the books of the New Testament were written. Not that reality will in any way affect people's "itching ears".

Re: Alleged papyrus on Jesus having a wife

Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:26 am
by Byblos
neo-x wrote:It was debunked last year I think.
Even if it were not a forgery, the earliest they are dating it is to 7th century. Yeah, a very reliable, contemporaneous gospel. :roll:

Re: Alleged papyrus on Jesus having a wife

Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 7:16 am
by neo-x
Besides, we do know Christ has a wife...the church. :mrgreen:

Re: Alleged papyrus on Jesus having a wife

Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 7:24 pm
by bippy123
PeteSinCA wrote:
A papyrus fragment that mentions Jesus's wife is likely ancient, probably dating between the sixth and ninth century, latest research shows.

When Karen L. King, the Hollis Professor of Divinity at Harvard Divinity School, announced the fragment's existence in September 2012, there was a widespread debate over its authenticity. The fragment, known as the "Gospel of Jesus’s Wife," probably originated from Egypt. It's written in Coptic and contains the phrase "Jesus said to them, 'my wife...,'" never before seen in any ancient text. It also mentions Jesus's mother and a female disciple, who may be identified as "Mary."
Oy! Jesus lived in and the Gospels were written in the First Century. Further, the Gospels were written in Greek - not Coptic - because that was the universal language understood throughout the Roman Empire. For the sake of historical perspective, Mohamed lived in the 7th Century, so the Qur'an may be older than this papyrus fragment; IOW, it has slightly more credibility than a Dan Brown novel.

It's an archaeological curiosity whose significance is how weird some corners of the church had gotten 5-8 centuries after Jesus lived and the books of the New Testament were written. Not that reality will in any way affect people's "itching ears".
It's hillarious how desperate the pseudo skeptic anti historian conspiracy theorists want to try to debunk Christianity.
Why are they fighting so hard against the truth???
Foolish is the only word that comes to mind here.

Re: Alleged papyrus on Jesus having a wife

Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 12:01 am
by 1over137
Because they want to prove to themselves there is no hell?

Re: Alleged papyrus on Jesus having a wife

Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 8:21 am
by jlay
For the last time, Jesus DID/ DOES have a wife.
It's The Church dadblame it!!!

Re: Alleged papyrus on Jesus having a wife

Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 11:34 am
by bippy123
1over137 wrote:Because they want to prove to themselves there is no hell?
They are going to be in for a rude awakening lol
I hope that they like their steaks extra well cooked with a dash of sulfur

Re: Alleged papyrus on Jesus having a wife

Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 11:35 am
by bippy123
jlay wrote:For the last time, Jesus DID/ DOES have a wife.
It's The Church dadblame it!!!
:amen:

Re: Alleged papyrus on Jesus having a wife

Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 12:20 pm
by RickD
jlay wrote:For the last time, Jesus DID/ DOES have a wife.
It's The Church dadblame it!!!
Technically, isn't the Church Christ's betrothed? Not yet married?

y:-?

Re: Alleged papyrus on Jesus having a wife

Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 1:04 pm
by bippy123
RickD wrote:
jlay wrote:For the last time, Jesus DID/ DOES have a wife.
It's The Church dadblame it!!!
Technically, isn't the Church Christ's betrothed? Not yet married?

y:-?
What is marriage anyways?
Just kidding :mrgreen:

Re: Alleged papyrus on Jesus having a wife

Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 4:47 pm
by DRDS
I second that notion bipmeister! :mrgreen: