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The Earth is 6000 years old?
Posted: Thu May 15, 2014 5:06 pm
by YoungApolegist
YECs have hurt many people's views of christianity, and many people have detracted from it. What do y'all have to say?
Re: The Earth is 6000 years old?
Posted: Thu May 15, 2014 5:13 pm
by Furstentum Liechtenstein
YoungApolegist wrote:YECs have hurt many people's views of christianity, and many people have detracted from it. What do y'all have to say?
uh...how about, ''Get a life''? There are far more important things to worry about, like ''Should the Holden Ute be exported to the USA?''
I think the time is right in North America (The USA, Mexico and that Other Place) to revive the old Chevrolet El Camino.
FL
PS: where is melanie when we need her???
Re: The Earth is 6000 years old?
Posted: Thu May 15, 2014 5:15 pm
by Danieltwotwenty
Let's not paint all Y.E.C's with the same brush. There is nothing wrong with holding that position, but to look down on other Christians because they have a different interpretation is wrong.
Not all Y.E.C'ers do this.
Re: The Earth is 6000 years old?
Posted: Thu May 15, 2014 5:18 pm
by RickD
I agree. I mean I agree with Daniel, not FL. The El Camino is junk.
Re: The Earth is 6000 years old?
Posted: Thu May 15, 2014 5:28 pm
by Furstentum Liechtenstein
RickD wrote: The El Camino is junk.
DIE HERETIC! DIE!
FL
Re: The Earth is 6000 years old?
Posted: Thu May 15, 2014 5:38 pm
by FlawedIntellect
Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:RickD wrote: The El Camino is junk.
DIE HERETIC! DIE!
FL
The recoil of those guns is probably going to knock you onto your butt before you could even hit anything. Going all guns akimbo is really impractical. Even if you were to go with pistols (though the recoil is less of an issue so much as having to divide attention between multiple targets and the difficulty of aiming accurately with both hands.).
[I know this because I sometimes read on silly things like this.]
Re: The Earth is 6000 years old?
Posted: Thu May 15, 2014 5:44 pm
by YoungApolegist
If it seems like I was trying to devalue other christians, I was not.
Re: The Earth is 6000 years old?
Posted: Thu May 15, 2014 5:52 pm
by Danieltwotwenty
YoungApolegist wrote:If it seems like I was trying to devalue other christians, I was not.
So how do you think the Y.E.C position has hurt people?
Re: The Earth is 6000 years old?
Posted: Thu May 15, 2014 8:06 pm
by YoungApolegist
I'm not trying to say is that YECs are the problem here. What I'm saying is that the literal interpretation had raised a lot of questions (even in myself) regarding the scientific and historic accuracies of the bible. Also, I can't stand it when people say that in order to be a Christian, you must be a YEC. For John 3:16 says " For god so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son so that whomever believes in him shall not perish, but have eternal life." Even YECs I know agree that true salvation only comes through Jesus. Perhaps I need to word it better. My problem with SOME ( not all) YECs is that they categorize the YEC worldview as salvation.
Re: The Earth is 6000 years old?
Posted: Thu May 15, 2014 8:17 pm
by Danieltwotwenty
YoungApolegist wrote:I'm not trying to say is that YECs are the problem here. What I'm saying is that the literal interpretation had raised a lot of questions (even in myself) regarding the scientific and historic accuracies of the bible. Also, I can't stand it when people say that in order to be a Christian, you must be a YEC. For John 3:16 says " For god so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son so that whomever believes in him shall not perish, but have eternal life. Even YECs I know agree that true salvation only comes through Jesus. Perhaps I need to word it better. My problem with SOME ( not all) YECs is that they categorize the YEC worldview as salvation.
Yes I have run into a few of these Y.E.C's but in my country they are in the minority, most people are pretty respectful.
Now as to a literal interpretation being unscientific, that all depends on what you mean by literal because all interpretations believe that is literally what the text means whether it is Theistic Evolution, Old Earth Creationism, Young Earth Creationism or Framework etc...
I wouldn't worry about it so much, even science could be wrong as that all comes down to interpretation of the evidence, personally I lean towards theistic evolution but I am open to evolution being a wrong interpretation of the evidence.
Re: The Earth is 6000 years old?
Posted: Thu May 15, 2014 8:20 pm
by YoungApolegist
Danieltwotwenty wrote:YoungApolegist wrote:I'm not trying to say is that YECs are the problem here. What I'm saying is that the literal interpretation had raised a lot of questions (even in myself) regarding the scientific and historic accuracies of the bible. Also, I can't stand it when people say that in order to be a Christian, you must be a YEC. For John 3:16 says " For god so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son so that whomever believes in him shall not perish, but have eternal life. Even YECs I know agree that true salvation only comes through Jesus. Perhaps I need to word it better. My problem with SOME ( not all) YECs is that they categorize the YEC worldview as salvation.
Yes I have run into a few of these Y.E.C's but in my country they are in the minority, most people are pretty respectful.
Now as to a literal interpretation being unscientific, that all depends on what you mean by literal because all interpretations believe that is literally what the text means whether it is Theistic Evolution, Old Earth Creationism, Young Earth Creationism or Framework etc...
I wouldn't worry about it so much, even science could be wrong as that all comes down to interpretation of the evidence, personally I lean towards theistic evolution but I am open to evolution being a wrong interpretation of the evidence.
Sorry, I dont know how quotes work. I mean to ask , "What country do you live in?"
Re: The Earth is 6000 years old?
Posted: Thu May 15, 2014 8:49 pm
by Danieltwotwenty
YoungApolegist wrote:Danieltwotwenty wrote:YoungApolegist wrote:I'm not trying to say is that YECs are the problem here. What I'm saying is that the literal interpretation had raised a lot of questions (even in myself) regarding the scientific and historic accuracies of the bible. Also, I can't stand it when people say that in order to be a Christian, you must be a YEC. For John 3:16 says " For god so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son so that whomever believes in him shall not perish, but have eternal life. Even YECs I know agree that true salvation only comes through Jesus. Perhaps I need to word it better. My problem with SOME ( not all) YECs is that they categorize the YEC worldview as salvation.
Yes I have run into a few of these Y.E.C's but in my country they are in the minority, most people are pretty respectful.
Now as to a literal interpretation being unscientific, that all depends on what you mean by literal because all interpretations believe that is literally what the text means whether it is Theistic Evolution, Old Earth Creationism, Young Earth Creationism or Framework etc...
I wouldn't worry about it so much, even science could be wrong as that all comes down to interpretation of the evidence, personally I lean towards theistic evolution but I am open to evolution being a wrong interpretation of the evidence.
Sorry, I dont know how quotes work. I mean to ask , "What country do you live in?"
I am from the great south land called Australia, we like to call ourselves Aussies. There is a growing radical Y.E.C movement here but they are mainly ignored, we have quite a mixture of belief and absence of belief in regards to creation at my church but fundamentally we all agree it was God who kicked it all off. I have only ever had a couple of bad experiences with Barry blow ins who seem to think that not believing Y.E.C interpretation somehow effects Christs work on the cross and other such crazy idiocy, luckily these Pharisee's are few and far between. Your faith should be in Christ and Christ alone, not in some interpretation of an ancient text, be secure in your trust in God and don't let anyone tell you your not good enough for God.
Re: The Earth is 6000 years old?
Posted: Thu May 15, 2014 9:41 pm
by neo-x
YoungApolegist wrote:YECs have hurt many people's views of Christianity, and many people have detracted from it. What do y'all have to say?
Yec, generally gets a bad name, but much of YEC crowd are very nice people. Its only a handful of yec's who combine, salvation and 6 day creation, also you can equally find the same fundies in oec too.
Don't worry it will balance out eventually. I was a yec once, and all of my family is still yec. I have had some success with my sister when I told her about my views and she was understanding and supportive. I think she is an OEC at heart but just is too set in with yec to vacate it. Anyway not that it matters. Its alright.
Re: The Earth is 6000 years old?
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 3:27 am
by Furstentum Liechtenstein
YoungApolegist wrote:YECs have hurt many people's views of christianity, and many people have detracted from it. What do y'all have to say?
Your statement is full of baloney. Here, let me reword it so that it accurately reflects reality:
''Christianity has hurt many people's view of Christianity; our innate sin-nature recoils from God.''
By calling yourself a Christian you set yourself up for ridicule. Your creation position is of no relevance to unbelievers.
FL
Re: The Earth is 6000 years old?
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 5:27 am
by Stu
YoungApolegist wrote:YECs have hurt many people's views of christianity, and many people have detracted from it. What do y'all have to say?
Uum no. YEC is what Christianity should be while OEC is Christianity bowing to fallible science. But that's my take. I think it's supposed to be 6 000 - 10 000 though.
I could argue that OEC has hurt Christianity.