All Men Are Created Equal
Posted: Sun May 18, 2014 3:18 am
What does God say about the rights of gay people? Should gay people have the same rights as everyone else? I don't know what the Bible says about that.
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I think that while I don't support homosexuality, I don't have any ill feelings towards them. If I were to hate them because of sin, then I would have to hate every man on Earth. That's what is so great about the US; everybody is guaranteed unalienable rights that can't and shouldn't be taken away.Danieltwotwenty wrote:Gay people should be able to do as they please, I don't have to agree with their choices but why should I expect them to believe the same things I do. God gave us the free will to choose and as long as they are not hurting anyone I will honor the gift that was given to them and love them as my Father loves me.
Edit. I am actually not opposed to gay marriage in the same way I am not opposed to secular hetero marriage.
Edit2. Just wanted to clarify that while I am not opposed to gay marriage neither am I a supporter.
YoungApolegist wrote:What does God say about the rights of gay people? Should gay people have the same rights as everyone else? I don't know what the Bible says about that.
OneMan wrote:YoungApolegist wrote:What does God say about the rights of gay people? Should gay people have the same rights as everyone else? I don't know what the Bible says about that.
Well, I'm sure this is what it says about it.
26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
Romans 1: 26 - 27 NASB
What are you referring to?YoungApolegist wrote:What does God say about the rights of gay people? Should gay people have the same rights as everyone else? I don't know what the Bible says about that.
The problem is, this is inadequate. A gay person can' be straight anymore than you can be gay. So when we say there is no such thing as gay marriage or gay rights of marriage, we're just avoiding the problem.Jac3510 wrote:I don't know what OM was getting at, but it is relevant insofar as no one has the right to do that which is intrinsically disordered. Sure, we have the right to marry, but there is no more such a thing as same sex marriage as there are square triangles.
neo-x wrote:I don't think the issue at the core is marriage, its rights. Gay people are not enamored by the word marriage, they are just being equal.
I have been discriminated almost my entire life, so I really don't stand the idea of it. If the gay person wants to marry, let them.
Whether they can change their sexual preference has nothing to do with the question. The fact is that gay marriage does not exist. It is a contradiction in terms. You cannot grant what does not exist. And you are wrong that they are just looking for equality and don't care about the word marriage. One of the things manys states tried early on was to grant civil unions to homosexuals but reserve the word 'marriage' for heterosexual couples. They wasn't good enough. They want the WORD.neo-x wrote:The problem is, this is inadequate. A gay person can' be straight anymore than you can be gay. So when we say there is no such thing as gay marriage or gay rights of marriage, we're just avoiding the problem.Jac3510 wrote:I don't know what OM was getting at, but it is relevant insofar as no one has the right to do that which is intrinsically disordered. Sure, we have the right to marry, but there is no more such a thing as same sex marriage as there are square triangles.
Gays exist and they can't be straight. They need to function in life too. I think allowing them this is more an act of compassion and charity then anything else.
So does people who lie or drink or whatever.They want full acceptance on the part of society as their lifestyle being normal, being ordered, having normative moral standing.
Yes you do, those people are as much part of the society as you are. Its not a theocracy. Its democracy, there is no hard line institution-defined, resting in the OM concretely. Your laws change so does the words and so does the culture.But we, as a society, need to treat those desires as what they are: intrinsically disordered. We do not change fundamental institutions to accommodate disorder.
This isn't about as long as no one gets hurt, its about the right to choose your partner, when you don't have much other choice. It is an inherent right.jlay wrote:Wow, some of the responses show how much postmodern philosophy has affected Christian thought.
Saying the homosexuality is unnatural and improper to act out on is not restricting or impeding anyone's human rights.
This 'as long as no one gets hurt' mentality is about as shallow as one can think. The responses i see from Christians are more reflective of Maslow's self-actualization in the heirarchy of needs.
The other problem is that much of Christendom doesn't even understand how to present the argument. It's just comes acorss as some narrow mind fundie with homophobia. It's sad.
A Christian should be about all believers (and in a broader sense all people) fulfilling their God given potential. If a person bases their entire identity on their sexual attraction and what they do with their sex organs, then this aint happening. Period. End of story.
Neo,neo-x wrote:This isn't about as long as no one gets hurt, its about the right to choose your partner, when you don't have much other choice. It is an inherent right.jlay wrote:Wow, some of the responses show how much postmodern philosophy has affected Christian thought.
Saying the homosexuality is unnatural and improper to act out on is not restricting or impeding anyone's human rights.
This 'as long as no one gets hurt' mentality is about as shallow as one can think. The responses i see from Christians are more reflective of Maslow's self-actualization in the heirarchy of needs.
The other problem is that much of Christendom doesn't even understand how to present the argument. It's just comes acorss as some narrow mind fundie with homophobia. It's sad.
A Christian should be about all believers (and in a broader sense all people) fulfilling their God given potential. If a person bases their entire identity on their sexual attraction and what they do with their sex organs, then this aint happening. Period. End of story.