Evidence for God from Science

Blaspheme against Jesus and you could be forgiven. Blaspheme against God and you can still be saved. But mess with the Holy Spirit and its eternal Ka-put-ski for you !

Matt 12:31, "Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men."

Mark 3:28-30, "Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit."

Luke 12:10, "And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven."


Anyone here care to explain why ?

LittleHamster wrote:Blaspheme against Jesus and you could be forgiven. Blaspheme against God and you can still be saved. But mess with the Holy Spirit and its eternal Ka-put-ski for you !

Matt 12:31, "Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men."

Mark 3:28-30, "Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit."

Luke 12:10, "And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven."


Anyone here care to explain why ?

I think this link will help answer this:

http://www.gotquestions.org/blasphemy-Holy-Spirit.html
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LittleHamster wrote:I think this link will help answer this:

http://www.gotquestions.org/blasphemy-Holy-Spirit.html
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Thank you for that link, I'm still trying to 'reason' it out (if reason is at all possible).

It seems that Blasphemy is "the act of attributing the work of the holy spirit to the work to the devil".

But why can't a person, who blasphemed, later say "Crikey, I got it wrong! Please forgive me Father, Son and Holy Spirit."

It sort of sounds like you don't get a second chance if you Blaspheme against the Spirit. You're sunk forever ! (that's a bit scary)

When a person blasphemes in the matter such as like B.W. posted ~> "the act of attributing the work of the holy spirit to the work to the devil," <~ that person is of the darkest type of heart you can find walking the earth, imo.

I know it sounds scary. FWIW I think people who don't really understand what they are doing are forgiven.

LittleHamster wrote:

LittleHamster wrote:I think this link will help answer this:

http://www.gotquestions.org/blasphemy-Holy-Spirit.html
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Thank you for that link, I'm still trying to 'reason' it out (if reason is at all possible).

It seems that Blasphemy is "the act of attributing the work of the holy spirit to the work to the devil".

But why can't a person, who blasphemed, later say "Crikey, I got it wrong! Please forgive me Father, Son and Holy Spirit."

It sort of sounds like you don't get a second chance if you Blaspheme against the Spirit. You're sunk forever ! (that's a bit scary)

IMO:
The blasphemy against something is to reject it, far more than that really, it is to reject and then to make others want to reject it to, to actively go against it.
BUT to do that we must first KNOW it and when that "it" is the HS what does that mean?
It means that we have KNOWN the HS ( which means we have received it or at least we have been "offered" it, we know the gift of Grace and understand it) and have decided to not only reject the HS ( and Christ and Our Father) BUT also go against them.
Let that sink in...

You have KNOWN pure and absolute love and grace and have decided not only to say "No thank you" but have decided to say " F YOU" and want to drive others to do the same.

Based on that, can you see how blaspheming the HS is THE sin ?

If you knew that you hated God, should you tell Him that?

Or would that be risking the unpardonable?

Starhunter wrote:If you knew that you hated God, should you tell Him that?

Or would that be risking the unpardonable?

You say that as if God doesn't know.

Re to the thread Q.

If a person avoided God, hated God, was frustrated with Him, etc, should they tell that to His face in prayer, should they really express their anger and frustration?

Or is that blasphemy and disrespect on the highest level?

Starhunter wrote:Re to the thread Q.

If a person avoided God, hated God, was frustrated with Him, etc, should they tell that to His face in prayer, should they really express their anger and frustration?

Or is that blasphemy and disrespect on the highest level?

Yeah, it's disrespectful and defintately better avoided, can we express frustration and sometimes anger? Yes I think we can, because were human. If this is a relationship then what true, honest relationship is worthwhile, if we can't express what we are truly thinking and feeling. Any relationship based on love, requires patience and understanding.
Anyone with children knows that horrible feeling when our kiddies, in the heat of the moment say "I hate you" to which I have replied back, "well I love you very much". They don't hate us, usually it is because we have disciplined them and they are frustrated and angry. We are our Fathers children and He understands how imperfect and fallible we are.

I think blasphemy of the HS is something much more than cursing God. It is a reflection of our hearts not our words. The Pharisees put guards outside Jesus tomb because they feared Him raising from the dead, they knew that He was who He claimed He was but worked against Him anyway. They had seen The Light and rejected it. There are people like that today. They are not atheists, finding it difficult to grasp a concept of God, they are not people who have fallen away from The Lord, they are people who know the truth and reject it, they turn light into darkness and work against The Almighty. They are standing outside Jesus tomb trying to stop the word and light and truth reaching the people.
I think that is what blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is.

Thank you for your posts everyone. I'm starting to get an idea about why this sin is unrepentable but still having a little trouble reasoning this it out or even finding a possible analogy for it. Anyway, here are a few more quotes......

It is interesting what Mark 3:28-30 said, ie., because "He hath an unclean spirit"

also

"..because before a person can blaspheme against the Holy Spirit, his heart must become so hard that he does not merely reject God in unbelief (he is simply a fool, Psalm 14:1) but, recognizing the nature of the Holy Spirit, curses or reviles Him. There was never any forgiveness of that either in Old or New Testament."
(source: http://www.oldpaths.com/Archive/Brown/T ... sph-1.html)

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"..blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is in its nature an eternal sin, for if one rejects the evidence given by the Holy Spirit and ascribes it to Satan, he rejects the only evidence upon which faith can be based; and without faith there is no forgiveness."
(source: http://preacherstudy.com/blasph.html)

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"..when a person attributes works to the devil, which he had the fullest evidence could be wrought only by the Spirit of God, is the sin against the Holy Ghost. Here the matter is made clear beyond the smallest doubt. The unpardonable sin, as some term it, is neither less nor more than ascribing the miracles Christ wrought by the power of God, to the spirit of the devil."
(source: http://ecclesia.org/truth/blasphemy.html)

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"One of things it means is saying that the Holy Spirit is the devil. This is a hardness of the heart which cannot be forgiven for the person has denied who God is and attributed him with evil. Therefore the person will never seek repentence for they do not know God or accept him."
(source: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_it_ ... oly_spirit)

Ok, ok, I've come up with a (rather crude) analogy. I'm still unsure of how accurately it portrays whats going on.

melanie wrote: ... If this is a relationship then what true, honest relationship is worthwhile, if we can't express what we are truly thinking and feeling...

I think blasphemy of the HS is something much more than cursing God. ...

they turn light into darkness and work against The Almighty. They are standing outside Jesus tomb trying to stop the word and light and truth reaching the people.

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I just wanted to talk about these three points you made.

We know that it's not possible to have an honest and loving relationship unless there is transparency.
Telling God how it is with us, is not the sin against the Holy Spirit.
And Jesus said you cannot do anything against the truth which is not for the truth.

On the last point - calling the work of the Holy Spirit the work of the devil is part of the unpardonable, as you have indicated, but lying to God is even worse.

In the OT God says He hates praise from hearts that are far from Him.

In the NT, would Judas have avoided betraying Christ if he had talked openly to Christ about his need for greed instead of keeping it secret?

this is how i understood what this sin is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5_UC-LRopw

..... and here at 55:00 mins int the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8BVQhJhTTk

Blasphemy of the spirit lit is to claim Jesus is demon possed rather than spirit filled and to attribute those works to the enemy.
This is somthimg the pharisees did in person to Jesus when He was castimg out demons.
The only unforgivable Unpardonable sin is disbelief. The only unforgivable sin is denying Jesus as your Lord and Savior and what He did on the cross and then dying in that state of mind.