End of Physics.
Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 7:04 am
Fascinating podcast. Well worth a listen.
Silvertusk.
http://www.reasonablefaith.org/the-end- ... of-physics
Silvertusk.
http://www.reasonablefaith.org/the-end- ... of-physics
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I do not think it is the end of Physics. Still we do not understand quantum theory. Why and how are particles entangled for example? Or we still did not manage to combine gravity with other three forces.This is really amazing because this is what physicists thought at the end of the 19th century. They thought that physics was then nearly complete. We’ve got the story now of the way reality is. Then came relativity theory and quantum theory and upset the whole apple cart. What Ellis is saying is that the situation now is quite different than at the end of the 19th century.There they simply thought that they knew everything. He is saying what is the situation now is that we’ve reached the limits that are humanly possible for having any higher energy experiments or for probing more deeply into outer space. He is saying that there is a kind of in-principle reason for thinking that we’ve pretty much got the full physical story. That is really remarkable.
Physics will never end, as the more we learn, that more we see that what we learned previously, makes little or no sense. Take this new science of quantum teleportation of data for instance. The observations of this might be indicating that the data is being transmitted at faster than the speed of light, which pretty much throws a lot of textbooks into the trash if true. http://www.livescience.com/49028-farthe ... ation.html Carl Sagan predicted the end of science altogether, then the computer reinvented everything almost overnight, and actually created all new sciences. 99.999 percent of all knowledge is unknown, as it's a big universe.Silvertusk wrote:Fascinating podcast. Well worth a listen.
Silvertusk.
http://www.reasonablefaith.org/the-end- ... of-physics
Quantum entanglement, is also being used in fiber optic cables, here on Earth, and no one doing this, is using the principle between galaxies. So you can jump automatically into the theoretical, or you can view real data from NASA-JPL. http://www.livescience.com/49028-farthe ... ation.html1over137 wrote:Quantum entanglement does not imply faster than light communication.
If on one side of galaxy you measure, say, spin in one direction then you will know that on the other side of the galaxy the spin is in the opposite direction. The measurement outcomes are correlated, but it is not so that you can send Morse code or what. The outcome of the spin measurement is random. You have no means to send a real information to the other side of the galaxy.
There is one physicist John G. Cramer working on experiments on FTL communication. He uses complementarity principle that photons can behave as either particles or waves. I need to research his experiments to say more.
From the articleTheQuestor wrote:Quantum entanglement, is also being used in fiber optic cables, here on Earth, and no one doing this, is using the principle between galaxies. So you can jump automatically into the theoretical, or you can view real data from NASA-JPL. http://www.livescience.com/49028-farthe ... ation.html1over137 wrote:Quantum entanglement does not imply faster than light communication.
If on one side of galaxy you measure, say, spin in one direction then you will know that on the other side of the galaxy the spin is in the opposite direction. The measurement outcomes are correlated, but it is not so that you can send Morse code or what. The outcome of the spin measurement is random. You have no means to send a real information to the other side of the galaxy.
There is one physicist John G. Cramer working on experiments on FTL communication. He uses complementarity principle that photons can behave as either particles or waves. I need to research his experiments to say more.
Whatever quantum information it was, spin or whatever, it was random. So my explanation above holds. You have no means to send real information from one end to the other with speed faster than light.In the new, record-breaking experiment, researchers from the University of Geneva, NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory and the National Institute of Standards and Technology used a superfast laser to pump out photons. Every once in a while, two photons would become entangled. Once the researchers had an entangled pair, they sent one down the optical fiber and stored the other in a crystal at the end of the cable. Then, the researchers shot a third particle of light at the photon traveling down the cable. When the two collided, they obliterated each other.
Though both photons vanished, the quantum information from the collision appeared in the crystal that held the second entangled photon.
I added the word quantum in red. It was missing there and thus the text was misleading.Quantum teleportation doesn't mean it's possible for a person to instantly pop from New York to London, or be instantly beamed aboard a spacecraft like in television's "Star Trek." Physicists can't instantly transport matter, but they can instantly transport quantuminformation through quantum teleportation. This works thanks to a bizarre quantum mechanics property called entanglement.
Quantum entanglement happens when two subatomic particles stay connected no matter how far apart they are. When one particle is disturbed, it instantly affects the entangled partner. It's impossible to tell the state of either particle until one is directly measured, but measuring one particle instantly determines the state of its partner.
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?feature=43841over137 wrote:See the bolded parts from the article
I added the word quantum in red. It was missing there and thus the text was misleading.Quantum teleportation doesn't mean it's possible for a person to instantly pop from New York to London, or be instantly beamed aboard a spacecraft like in television's "Star Trek." Physicists can't instantly transport matter, but they can instantly transport quantuminformation through quantum teleportation. This works thanks to a bizarre quantum mechanics property called entanglement.
Quantum entanglement happens when two subatomic particles stay connected no matter how far apart they are. When one particle is disturbed, it instantly affects the entangled partner. It's impossible to tell the state of either particle until one is directly measured, but measuring one particle instantly determines the state of its partner.
Notice the second bolded part: it is imposible to tell the state of either particle until measured. You have no means to force the outcome of the measurement as you wish. Outcome is random and you have no way to use it for communication.
Before you said:But in order to get photon B to become yellow, as photon P originally was, Alice needs to send Bob two bits of information to B the "classical" way -- for example, by sending pulses of light over an optical fiber.
"When Alice measures the state of her photon, Bob's photon changes state as well, as if flipping a switch," Marsili said. "But Bob cannot know how the switch flipped unless Alice sends him the bits of information classically." Bob does not know that his photon has changed to yellow without that additional information.
Now my question: what can be thrown from the textbooks into the trash?The observations of this might be indicating that the data is being transmitted at faster than the speed of light, which pretty much throws a lot of textbooks into the trash if true.
Yes, the changes in the particle appear to be instantaneous, though I do believe that to test this will take a much larger distance than 15.5 miles, to prove. Trust me, Einstein said that the universe was not expanding, before he said ooops I was wrong. So change happens, we can not say when or where.1over137 wrote:Notice this part from the article:
Before you said:But in order to get photon B to become yellow, as photon P originally was, Alice needs to send Bob two bits of information to B the "classical" way -- for example, by sending pulses of light over an optical fiber.
"When Alice measures the state of her photon, Bob's photon changes state as well, as if flipping a switch," Marsili said. "But Bob cannot know how the switch flipped unless Alice sends him the bits of information classically." Bob does not know that his photon has changed to yellow without that additional information.
Now my question: what can be thrown from the textbooks into the trash?The observations of this might be indicating that the data is being transmitted at faster than the speed of light, which pretty much throws a lot of textbooks into the trash if true.
Yes, the changes in the particle appear to be instantaneous, though I do believe that to test this will take a much larger distance than 15.5 miles, to prove. Trust me, Einstein said that the universe was not expanding, before he said ooops I was wrong. So change happens, we can not say when or where.
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Experiments like this aim to provide secure communication in future, bank and client for example.
No one really knows what is happening with spooky entanglement, only that it is there. The observations appear to be instant, no lag at all over the 15.5 miles, if this is true, then this is faster than every textbook ever written that includes the fastest speed in the universe says is possible. Thus, if true (not proven yet) we have a new record holder, and another Einstein theory bites the dust1over137 wrote:I ask again: what can be thrown into trash from the textbooks?
And so it is with the experiment you gave link to. Bob does not have that quantum information (which is photon polarization) until Alice sends him necessary classic information (probably in what direction to measure the Bob's photon polarization). Only after receiving additional classic information can Bob extract quantum information.Faster-than-light (also superluminal or FTL) communication and travel refer to the propagation of information or matterfaster than the speed of light. Under the special theory of relativity, a particle (that has rest mass) with subluminal velocity needs infinite energy to accelerate to the speed of light, although special relativity does not forbid the existence of particles that travel faster than light at all times (tachyons).
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In the context of this article, FTL is the transmission of information or matter faster than c, a constant equal to the speed of light in a vacuum, which is 299,792,458 m/s (by definition) or about 186,282.4 miles per second. This is not quite the same as traveling faster than light, since:
Some processes propagate faster than c, but cannot carry information (see examples in the sections immediately following).
Light travels at speed c/n when not in a vacuum but travelling through a medium with refractive index = n (causing refraction), and in some materials other particles can travel faster than c/n (but still slower than c), leading to Cherenkov radiation (see phase velocity below).
Neither of these phenomena violates special relativity or creates problems with causality, and thus neither qualifies as FTL as described here.
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Quantum teleportation transmits quantum information at whatever speed is used to transmit the same amount of classical information, likely the speed of light. This quantum information may theoretically be used in ways that classical information can not, such as in quantum computations involving quantum information only available to the recipient.