Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:Kurieuo wrote:(THE ROLE OF ZIONISM IN THE HOLOCAUST)
That Jews worked with the Nazis to kill other Jews is true. However, this is irrelevent here, and many of us may have done the same to save our hides... Also, Orthodox Jews are by and large, Zionists. You may be mistaking Orthodox for Lubavichers or Hassidim;
these are anti-zionist, believing that only Messiah can establish the nation of Israel on earth. Some of the more liberal elements among Reform Jews are also anti-zionist. Reform, Conservative & Orthodox Jews look like us, the others are legalistic and dress in black only.
Is there a strong current of anti-zionism in Oz?
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You do make some points I'd have to look into.
There are sympathies for Palestinian people in Australia, but perhaps equally as much support for Israel.
I don't take sides, but try to understand both sides.
For me Israel really were poor in bombing UN refuge buildings/schools. That took the cake.
I was accepting of them defending themselves as a nation, but what they did was just their own form of reverse terrorism at the expense of innocent lives.
Even if there were a couple of militants, they let them win by killing children -- especially when Israel was well aware of the complex being a UN refuge.
Israel should protect themselves, but if that means causing much pain and suffering to innocents than while I understand, I'm not for that.
That isn't what Christ would want them to do. Love your neighbour as yourself. If they strike you in the cheek turn the other.
But, Israel aren't Christian. They are barely even Jewish today.
As for Jews turning on Jews... saving their hides had nothing to do with the main point I was trying to highlight:
Read "The Millions That Could Have Been Saved" by I.DombIt is an historical fact that in 1941 and again in 1942, the German Gestapo offered all European Jews transit to Spain, if they would relinquish all their property in Germany and Occupied France; on condition that: a) none of the deportees travel from Spain to Palestine; and b) all the deportees be transported from Spain to the USA or British colonies, and there to remain; with entry visas to be arranged by the Jews living there; and c) $1000.00 ransom for each family to be furnished by the Agency, payable upon the arrival of the family at the Spanish border at the rate of 1000 families daily.
The Zionist leaders in Switzerland and Turkey received this offer with the clear understanding that the exclusion of Palestine as a destination for the deportees was based on an agreement between the Gestapo and the Mufti.
The answer of the Zionist leaders was negative, with the following comments: a) ONLY Palestine would be considered as a destination for the deportees. b) The European Jews must accede to suffering and death greater in measure than the other nations, in order that the victorious allies agree to a "Jewish State" at the end of the war. c) No ransom will be paid This response to the Gestapo's offer was made with the full knowledge that the alternative to this offer was the gas chamber. (
http://www.truetorahjews.org/lieberman)
Zionists sold out their people. And they stood to gain the most.
Today the situation is difficult.
It's a mess no one has been able to resolve.
Palestinians were displaced when the state of Israel was setup.
Now we have a population that is Israel, who face constant threat and a mass of people without any real home.
No Islamic state will take Palestinians in,
and while Israel has on numerous occasions offered to resettle people (e.g., Gaza strip),
it can't take in all Palestinians because then they'd quickly go into civil disorder as they become Islamicised by those who just went them wiped from the Earth.
What can be done? The West and Europe helped create this mess, and now there is no clear solution and people on both sides are peeved and get revved up.
I don't believe it is all to do with Islam, but also the sensitive history of what has happened.
And children are still children, women are still women... all humanity possess the image of God and are inherently valuable.
While I feel for and can understand both sides, I see no clear solution.
