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In my village, there are two churches. One is envangelical augsburg church. From my googling I learned there is a woman in a role of a priest.

My question is: Is this in accordance with the Bible? I do not think woman is to rule over man.
How do you view it? And would you visit such church?

1over137 wrote:In my village, there are two churches. One is envangelical augsburg church. From my googling I learned there is a woman in a role of a priest.

My question is: Is this in accordance with the Bible? I do not think woman is to rule over man.
How do you view it? And would you visit such church?

A woman has served as a priest at the Anglican church I attend. Personally I feel a little uncomfortable about it.

However, there are many examples of women taking the lead in bible. eg Phoebe was a deacon. By referring to Phoebe as a prostatis, Paul solicits the attention and respect of the leaders in Rome's church, which also included other women, namely Prisca/(Priscilla)[Rom. 16:3], Mary[Rom. 16:6], Junia[Rom. 16:7], and Tryphena, Tryphosa, and Persis [16:12] .[3] (Wiki Phoebe)

"I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon of the church in Cenchreae. I ask you to receive her in the Lord in a way worthy of his people and to give her any help she may need from you, for she has been the benefactor of many people, including me."
— Paul[Rom. 16:1-2]

Supporters of women's ordination may point to the role of notable female figures in the Bible such as Phoebe, Junia (considered an apostle by Paul) and others in Romans 16:1, the female disciples of Jesus, and the women at the crucifixion who were the first witnesses to the Resurrection of Christ, as supporting evidence of the importance of women as leaders in the Early Church. They may also rely on exegetical interpretations of scriptural language related to gender.[67][69][70] (Wiki - Ordination of Women)

Indeed a female being a priest is not akin to her 'ruling' over man. Paul himself referred to Junia as an apostle. If being given a role as a leader means 'ruling' above others then Paul stating Phoebe is a Deacon, means Paul has contradicted his own doctrine, not Gods.

Since a priest, like an apostle, was to SERVE and NOT rule, I don't see a problem with women being ordained at all.

1over137 wrote:In my village, there are two churches. One is envangelical augsburg church. From my googling I learned there is a woman in a role of a priest.

My question is: Is this in accordance with the Bible? I do not think woman is to rule over man.
How do you view it? And would you visit such church?

Does this help Hana?
http://www.gotquestions.org/women-pastors.html

Or, if that's not direct enough, how about this?
http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/lo ... oleofw.htm

What do you think?

PaulSacramento wrote:Since a priest, like an apostle, was to SERVE and NOT rule, I don't see a problem with women being ordained at all.

Paul,

Aren't priests spiritual leaders? And woman leading a man...
What about 1 Cor. 14 and 1 Tim. 2 from the links from Rick?

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Rick,

I saw your first link some time ago. Yet, I wonder why are there women-priests?

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Mazzy,

I wonder what Phoebe did as a deacon. Did she had sermons every Sunday?

1over137 wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:Since a priest, like an apostle, was to SERVE and NOT rule, I don't see a problem with women being ordained at all.

Paul,

Aren't priests spiritual leaders? And woman leading a man...
What about 1 Cor. 14 and 1 Tim. 2 from the links from Rick?

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Rick,

I saw your first link some time ago. Yet, I wonder why are there women-priests?

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Mazzy,

I wonder what Phoebe did as a deacon. Did she had sermons every Sunday?

It doesn't matter what leading a man is. The point is Pheobe was a Deacon, meaning she was a leader in the congregation just like a priest.

As far a sermons go... They are not 'biblical'. There are no scriptures of sermons at the Christian gatherings before or after Christ in the bible that I am aware of. Jesus didn't even bless the bread before breaking it, He just gave thanks. There is no reason a women cannot give thanks. A women may like to defer to her husband or an elder male out of respect and to avoid contention, not because she HAS to.

It has taken me a good deal of thought to deal with the idea of female priests even though I am defending them. If they were not allowed many congregations would have no priest at all. Some Catholic priests have to cover many areas due to the lack of male priests.

The truth be knows I reckon priests as they are are now should go be they male or female. What a great idea!!!.. not being paid a stripend/pay for serving God, male or female. Many religions can take a page out of the JW beliefs on this point.

I know I'll probably be in the minority on this but I believe it is a doctrine of man and not of God claiming women cannot be priests or pastors of a church.From reading 1st Corinthians 12 and 14.

I once preached a message before in a church about the things Paul was trying to correct as this church had alot of problems.I think most read it without context of what Paul was addressing at the church of Corinth and it was women talking during the service interrupting the church service and Paul was telling them do not interrupt the church service,if you have a question about what is going on?wait until you are not in church to discuss it,talk to you husband about it at home.Read 1st Corinthian 14 from this perspective,just try it and you'll see what I mean.

Women were talking during the church service,who knows what about?but they were interrupting the church service talking.Paul did not tell them not to preach,teach,prophesy,etc in church. It is a doctrine of man and not of God to think women cannot be a pastor,teacher,etc in a church.

The church at Corinth had a lot of problems Paul was addressing in his letter.

It is important first to make sure you were called to do it from the Lord,this is a must,not everybody is called to be a priest or preacher and it is important to make sure it is your calling to do it.

1over137 wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:Since a priest, like an apostle, was to SERVE and NOT rule, I don't see a problem with women being ordained at all.

Paul,

Aren't priests spiritual leaders? And woman leading a man...
What about 1 Cor. 14 and 1 Tim. 2 from the links from Rick?

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Rick,

I saw your first link some time ago. Yet, I wonder why are there women-priests?

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Mazzy,

I wonder what Phoebe did as a deacon. Did she had sermons every Sunday?

Hana,
I would say there are women priests, simply because they don't think it's wrong.
I also would say that it is ok for women to be over other women.

And I realize this can be a touchy subject. A lot of people wrongly assume that because someone believes scripture is clear that a woman shouldn't be over a man, that it's some kind of male chauvinist thing.
Just let me add that I think this is an issue of headship. I'm am in no way saying that women can't witness to men.
Hana, Jac touched on the subject here:
https://cmmorrison.wordpress.com/?s=Wom ... mit=Search

1over137 wrote:In my village, there are two churches. One is envangelical augsburg church. From my googling I learned there is a woman in a role of a priest.

My question is: Is this in accordance with the Bible? I do not think woman is to rule over man.
How do you view it? And would you visit such church?

I'm personally hung up on the whole "priest" thing.
So whatever a church decides is to their own pleasing.

If Christ was the final and everlasting priest, then why do we need another to mediate between us and God?
Should we not go directly to Christ. Is Christ only accessible via a priest? Or via some church?

Isn't the role of the Holy Spirit to come to us, rather than have us go to God whether through someone or some place?
The Holy Spirit who was sent to the Apostles and us, to keep the truth alive and be with us forever. (John 14:16-17)
Each of us who are in Christ are the building. Christ is the cornerstone and God now dwells "within" us.

1over137 wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:Since a priest, like an apostle, was to SERVE and NOT rule, I don't see a problem with women being ordained at all.

Paul,

Aren't priests spiritual leaders? And woman leading a man...
What about 1 Cor. 14 and 1 Tim. 2 from the links from Rick?

The historical issues with 1 Timothy aside, it is clear by Paul other letters, in particular Romans, that Gentile women were apostles and if they were apostles, then they were spiritual leaders yes BUT being a spiritual leader and having authority over men are two VERY DIFFERENT things.

Again, Christ commanded His apostles to SERVE not to lead:

Matthew 20:

Jesus called them to Himself and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their great men exercise authority over them. 26 It is not this way among you, but whoever wishes to become great among you shall be your servant, 27 and whoever wishes to be first among you shall be your slave; 28 just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.”

The truth be knows I reckon priests as they are are now should go be they male or female. What a great idea!!!.. not being paid a stripend/pay for serving God, male or female. Many religions can take a page out of the JW beliefs on this point.

JW's? really?
You do realize that in the JW religion no woman can hold the position of elder much less overseer and that women are not even allowed to lead in prayer if a Baptized male is present and if they do lead in prayer they have to cover their heads with a cloth?

Is that the page you wanna take from them ??

It is important first to make sure you were called to do it from the Lord,this is a must,not everybody is called to be a priest or preacher and it is important to make sure it is your calling to do it.

This is actually a very good point, for both men and women.
Not all are suited to be teachers or clergy, even if they THEY think so.
I have know a few that were so bad that they actually turned people away from their religion.

Christ should be the template for how we should preach:
With love, compassion, firmness and always full of the HS.
We need to understand that we can't preach the same way to everyone and while some may need a firm "orthodox" hand, other require a loving, guiding "liberal" hand.
It takes a special gift from the HS for a person to be a teacher or a preacher (not the same thing).

I just would like to connect to other Christians in my village. Not thinking about being a priest (not yet : ) )
I just do not want feel like something is not ok when I will visit that church.

1over137 wrote:I just would like to connect to other Christians in my village. Not thinking about being a priest (not yet : ) )
I just do not want feel like something is not ok when I will visit that church.

Hana,

How is their doctrine? Do they have a statement of beliefs that you can read? Most churches have a "What We Believe", either on their website, or on some literature.

RickD wrote:

1over137 wrote:I just would like to connect to other Christians in my village. Not thinking about being a priest (not yet : ) )
I just do not want feel like something is not ok when I will visit that church.

Hana,

How is their doctrine? Do they have a statement of beliefs that you can read? Most churches have a "What We Believe", either on their website, or on some literature.

I haven't read everything yet. What I read so far seemed ok.
I need to look into what augsburg profesion is in detail.