Evidence for God from Science

I know this sounds strange (coming from me), but i'd like to ask those of you willing to keep the family and friend of Paul Soutter in your prayers. Paul Soutter, although not a acquaintance of mine, recently committed suicide at W&M. It's a very sad week on campus; just keeps reoccurring in my mind, I can't even imagine what the parents of Paul are going through.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grad ... al-health/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grad ... sometimes/

So very sad. It breaks my heart.

He and his family, and friends will be in my prayers.

I will pray for all: family, friends, all students, whole college, future psychiatrist.

HappyFlappyDeist wrote:I know this sounds strange (coming from me), but i'd like to ask those of you willing to keep the family and friend of Paul Soutter in your prayers...

It certainly does sound strange! How can a deist ask for prayers to a god who is far off and not involved in the affairs of men?

Has this site changed your mind about God? Or has a temporary tragedy softened you up a bit?

FL

Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:

HappyFlappyDeist wrote:I know this sounds strange (coming from me), but i'd like to ask those of you willing to keep the family and friend of Paul Soutter in your prayers...

It certainly does sound strange! How can a deist ask for prayers to a god who is far off and not involved in the affairs of men?

FL

He doesn't ask, he demands. Bad joke.

But in reality, I could be wrong. If I am, prayers do good. If I'm right they do nothing. No harm, only possible positive. If you want a complete B.S answer I'll provide that as well, see below.

Well you see my liechtensteinist canuck friend, praying keeps social issues in people's minds which in turn results in positive societal benefits. So you see, even if prayer if ineffective you've subconsciously subjected yourself to awareness of said social issue. Seeing as awareness is always a prerequisite to the solution and reduction of an issue, praying does nonetheless have positive benefits.

HappyFlappyDeist wrote:I know this sounds strange (coming from me), but i'd like to ask those of you willing to keep the family and friend of Paul Soutter in your prayers. Paul Soutter, although not a acquaintance of mine, recently committed suicide at W&M. It's a very sad week on campus; just keeps reoccurring in my mind, I can't even imagine what the parents of Paul are going through.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grad ... al-health/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grad ... sometimes/

Damn, and we were only discussing a two or something weeks ago.
May I ask what his beliefs were? I pray he believed in Christ.

Kurieuo wrote:

HappyFlappyDeist wrote:I know this sounds strange (coming from me), but i'd like to ask those of you willing to keep the family and friend of Paul Soutter in your prayers. Paul Soutter, although not a acquaintance of mine, recently committed suicide at W&M. It's a very sad week on campus; just keeps reoccurring in my mind, I can't even imagine what the parents of Paul are going through.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grad ... al-health/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grad ... sometimes/

Damn, and we were only discussing a two or something weeks ago.
May I ask what his beliefs were? I pray he believed in Christ.

Couldn't tell you; he wasn't part of freethought alliance/ campus crusade or anything of the like. A bunch of people did go to his funeral at a lutheran church, but I doubt that means much.

HappyFlappyDeist wrote:

Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote: How can a deist ask for prayers to a god who is far off and not involved in the affairs of men?

FL

HappyFlappyDeist wrote:
... I could be wrong. If I am, prayers do good. If I'm right they do nothing. No harm, only possible positive. If you want a complete B.S answer I'll provide that as well, see below.

Well you see my liechtensteinist canuck friend, praying keeps social issues in people's minds which in turn results in positive societal benefits. So you see, even if prayer if ineffective you've subconsciously subjected yourself to awareness of said social issue. Seeing as awareness is always a prerequisite to the solution and reduction of an issue, praying does nonetheless have positive benefits.

Your BS answer was better because it has been proven that people of faith live longer and happier. Prayer does have benefits for the praying person and - presumably - for those around him by virtue the praying person's more fulfilled life. Still, from a deist's point of view, prayer is useless and praying for a completly unknown person would make absolutely no sense. None whatsoever.

Still mystified as to why you would ask for prayers...

FL

PS...great signature line about your grandfather!

Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:

HappyFlappyDeist wrote:

Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote: How can a deist ask for prayers to a god who is far off and not involved in the affairs of men?

FL

HappyFlappyDeist wrote:
... I could be wrong. If I am, prayers do good. If I'm right they do nothing. No harm, only possible positive. If you want a complete B.S answer I'll provide that as well, see below.

Well you see my liechtensteinist canuck friend, praying keeps social issues in people's minds which in turn results in positive societal benefits. So you see, even if prayer if ineffective you've subconsciously subjected yourself to awareness of said social issue. Seeing as awareness is always a prerequisite to the solution and reduction of an issue, praying does nonetheless have positive benefits.

Your BS answer was better because it has been proven that people of faith live longer and happier. Prayer does have benefits for the praying person and - presumably - for those around him by virtue the praying person's more fulfilled life. Still, from a deist's point of view, prayer is useless and praying for a completly unknown person would make absolutely no sense. None whatsoever.

Still mystified as to why you would ask for prayers...

FL

PS...great signature line about your grandfather!

Isn't it obvious FL? HFD is a Christian, even if he doesn't know it yet.

Kurieuo wrote:

Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:

HappyFlappyDeist wrote:

Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote: How can a deist ask for prayers to a god who is far off and not involved in the affairs of men?

FL

HappyFlappyDeist wrote:
... I could be wrong. If I am, prayers do good. If I'm right they do nothing. No harm, only possible positive. If you want a complete B.S answer I'll provide that as well, see below.

Well you see my liechtensteinist canuck friend, praying keeps social issues in people's minds which in turn results in positive societal benefits. So you see, even if prayer if ineffective you've subconsciously subjected yourself to awareness of said social issue. Seeing as awareness is always a prerequisite to the solution and reduction of an issue, praying does nonetheless have positive benefits.

Your BS answer was better because it has been proven that people of faith live longer and happier. Prayer does have benefits for the praying person and - presumably - for those around him by virtue the praying person's more fulfilled life. Still, from a deist's point of view, prayer is useless and praying for a completly unknown person would make absolutely no sense. None whatsoever.

Still mystified as to why you would ask for prayers...

FL

PS...great signature line about your grandfather!

Isn't it obvious FL? HFD is a Christian, even if he doesn't know it yet.

I think you're right K. HFD is a milder modern version of Saul of Tarsus.

RickD wrote:

Kurieuo wrote:Isn't it obvious FL? HFD is a Christian, even if he doesn't know it yet.

I think you're right K. HFD is a milder modern version of Saul of Tarsus.

I feel we'll be waiting a bit longer for some others on the board here though.
But, maybe one day, for their sake, they'll see the light too.

Kurieuo wrote:

RickD wrote:

Kurieuo wrote:Isn't it obvious FL? HFD is a Christian, even if he doesn't know it yet.

I think you're right K. HFD is a milder modern version of Saul of Tarsus.

I feel we'll be waiting a bit longer for some others on the board here though.
But, maybe one day, for their sake, they'll see the light too.

Kurieuo wrote:Isn't it obvious FL? HFD is a Christian, even if he doesn't know it yet.

If memory serves me right, you became a Christian as a child, right?

When you become a Christian as an adult, when you are infused with the New Nature, when the Holy Spirit gives you a New Disposition towards God, you know it...at least you remember it vividly when you become a Christian in your adult years. The change is dramatic, overnight and permanent.

HFD isn't a Christian or else he would know it. Maybe he's just leaning towards Christianity. More probably, he just asked for prayers in a moment of emotional upheaval. This, too, will pass.

Carry on.

FL

Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:

Kurieuo wrote:Isn't it obvious FL? HFD is a Christian, even if he doesn't know it yet.

If memory serves me right, you became a Christian as a child, right?

When you become a Christian as an adult, when you are infused with the New Nature, when the Holy Spirit gives you a New Disposition towards God, you know it...at least you remember it vividly when you become a Christian in your adult years. The change is dramatic, overnight and permanent.

HFD isn't a Christian or else he would know it. Maybe he's just leaning towards Christianity. More probably, he just asked for prayers in a moment of emotional upheaval. This, too, will pass.

Carry on.

FL

You're right of course.

I like to also determine who is a Christian not by just the crux point in their life of decision, but where they are from, are heading and will be at.
Christ knows all who are his and leads them. Some others are called and will respond and follow but haven't reached Christ and the flock yet. Right? (John 10:3;14;16)

I think we can generally tell the direction people are heading.
Whether or not they're even going in any direction. Going an opposite direction or what-have-you.

And so I don't just see the HFD who has been posting on this board.
But, the HFD who ends up finding our Shepherd.

That is a very kind request happy. I will most definitely pray for him and his family tonight.
Your also in my prayers my friend. It's interesting cause my deist uncle also asked me to pray for his mom when she was sick. She was a very devout believer. She's probably praying for him now in heaven