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A question for atheists part 2

Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2015 5:24 am
by Nessa
This is three part - Do you want there to be a God? Why/why not? What would he or she be like if the answer is yes?

Re: A question for atheists part 2

Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2015 5:59 am
by Nessa
I have absolutely no clever come backs but Im just interested to know what you are thinking

Re: A question for atheists part 2

Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2015 3:22 pm
by Nessa
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Re: A question for atheists part 2

Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2015 3:57 pm
by Kenny
Nessa wrote:This is three part - Do you want there to be a God? Why/why not? What would he or she be like if the answer is yes?
Good question! I don’t think I’ve ever considered that question. Now that I thought about it, I think it depends upon what this God is like. For the most part, I don’t think I would want there to be one; I am happy with things as they are. I’m sure it would be cool and all as long as he is your friend, and is on your side, but what happens if he turns on you and is no longer on your side? Doesn’t sound good.

If God were to exist, I would prefer he were the type to just stay out of our business and allow humankind to sink or swim with the decisions we make.

Ken

Re: A question for atheists part 2

Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2015 4:52 pm
by EssentialSacrifice
ken
If God were to exist, I would prefer he were the type to just stay out of our business and allow humankind to sink or swim with the decisions we make.
The sad part is, if you don't look for Him, pray to, talk to Him, strike up a relationship with Him ... you'll get your wish ken. :ssorry:

Re: A question for atheists part 2

Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2015 5:54 pm
by Nessa
Kenny wrote:
Nessa wrote:This is three part - Do you want there to be a God? Why/why not? What would he or she be like if the answer is yes?
Good question! I don’t think I’ve ever considered that question. Now that I thought about it, I think it depends upon what this God is like. For the most part, I don’t think I would want there to be one; I am happy with things as they are. I’m sure it would be cool and all as long as he is your friend, and is on your side, but what happens if he turns on you and is no longer on your side? Doesn’t sound good.

If God were to exist, I would prefer he were the type to just stay out of our business and allow humankind to sink or swim with the decisions we make.

Ken
So your god would be indifferent and detached from human suffering?

He would never interfere with us. The most horrific acts would elude him?

So he would be more like an impersonal force of some kind?

Say you just saw the person you love the most in the world about to get tortured and raped and it continue for years on end.

Would you not choose your God to be personal and capable of choice?

To be powerful enough to stop it if no human being could?

Re: A question for atheists part 2

Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2015 11:12 pm
by Kenny
Nessa wrote:
Kenny wrote:
Nessa wrote:This is three part - Do you want there to be a God? Why/why not? What would he or she be like if the answer is yes?
Good question! I don’t think I’ve ever considered that question. Now that I thought about it, I think it depends upon what this God is like. For the most part, I don’t think I would want there to be one; I am happy with things as they are. I’m sure it would be cool and all as long as he is your friend, and is on your side, but what happens if he turns on you and is no longer on your side? Doesn’t sound good.

If God were to exist, I would prefer he were the type to just stay out of our business and allow humankind to sink or swim with the decisions we make.

Ken
So your god would be indifferent and detached from human suffering?

He would never interfere with us. The most horrific acts would elude him?

So he would be more like an impersonal force of some kind?

Say you just saw the person you love the most in the world about to get tortured and raped and it continue for years on end.

Would you not choose your God to be personal and capable of choice?

To be powerful enough to stop it if no human being could?
I’m going to change up on my previous response. If God were to exist, I would prefer he have the ability of the God as described in the Bible, but would do things differently. He would do the opposite of what I previously said and keep in constant contact with mankind giving us a consistent message of what he expects of us and who he is, thus preventing the establishing of false Gods to worship. This would likely end all the hatred, killing, and pain associated with opposing religious beliefs.

He would also have created a world where it is easier to do the right thing because there would be no Satan, Devil, or forces that work against him to tempt his creation to doing the wrong thing. This would make life a bit more peaceful

He also would have created a world where all the water is useful for the survival of his creation and fruits and vegetables would grow wild the way crabgrass and useless weeds do now, thus ending starvation and all the the violence and suffering associated with it

He would have created the Universe in a way that is not 99.99999% hostile to human life

Parasites would not exist because he would create a world where useless and harmful insects would not exist,

He also wouldn’t be the type of God that requires worship. He would be too modest to insist his creation fall to their knees, and grovel at his feet in a way that I wouldn’t expect from my dog; just knowing his creation loves him would be enough for him

That’s enough for now, perhaps I will think of some more later


Ken

Re: A question for atheists part 2

Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 12:51 am
by Nessa
kenny wrote: If God were to exist, I would prefer he were the type to just stay out of our business and allow humankind to sink or swim with the decisions we make.
What made you change your mind?

Re: A question for atheists part 2

Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 7:39 am
by Kenny
Nessa wrote:
kenny wrote: If God were to exist, I would prefer he were the type to just stay out of our business and allow humankind to sink or swim with the decisions we make.
What made you change your mind?
My first reply was while I was on a quick break at work and I only had a couple minutes to make a reply. After thinking about it for a while, I later changed my mind

K

Re: A question for atheists part 2

Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 10:25 pm
by Nessa
Kenny wrote:
Nessa wrote:
kenny wrote: If God were to exist, I would prefer he were the type to just stay out of our business and allow humankind to sink or swim with the decisions we make.
What made you change your mind?
My first reply was while I was on a quick break at work and I only had a couple minutes to make a reply. After thinking about it for a while, I later changed my mind

K
So its quite possible you might change your mind again then?

Re: A question for atheists part 2

Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 10:30 pm
by Nessa
Perhaps after seven days? :ewink: :P

Re: A question for atheists part 2

Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 3:16 pm
by Nessa
So you wouldn't want God to create a perfect world with no pain and suffering?

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Re: A question for atheists part 2

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 10:36 pm
by Nessa
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Re: A question for atheists part 2

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:05 pm
by Kenny
Nessa wrote:So you wouldn't want God to create a perfect world with no pain and suffering?

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I don’t think that is possible. Perfect by whose standards? My standards? Because perfection by my standards is going to be far from perfect by somebody else's standards.
Perfection according to everybody at the same time is impossible

And pain and suffering? What I find good can be bad for someone else. Example; if I am trying to buy a house, a drop in real estate prices is going to be a good thing for me, but it will be painful to the guy trying to sell his house. In such a diverse world pain and pleasure often result from the same action.
So to answer your question; no I wouldn’t ask God to do the impossible, I would just ask for what I see as practical.


Ken

Re: A question for atheists part 2

Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 7:28 am
by Byblos
Kenny wrote: I wouldn’t ask God to do the impossible, I would just ask for what I see as practical.
I think your prayers were answered Kenny! :mrgreen: