Evidence for God from Science

No, i'm not pro-choice, nor am i here to "necessarily" debate, i just want to know the evidence of abortion in the Bible. Heck i've even heard "liberals" claim that abortion being a sin is a "myth".

JurassicTerrorist wrote:No, i'm not pro-choice, nor am i here to "necessarily" debate, i just want to know the evidence of abortion in the Bible. Heck i've even heard "liberals" claim that abortion being a sin is a "myth".

Thou shalt not kill.

Thou shalt not murder.

You can start with that.

I dont agree with abortion BUT
thou shall not kill, murder.. why does that not apply in war?

Storyteller wrote:I dont agree with abortion BUT
thou shall not kill, murder.. why does that not apply in war?

It is not murder when a person kills in a war like David and Goliath.

Storyteller wrote:I dont agree with abortion BUT
thou shall not kill, murder.. why does that not apply in war?

all killing is not murder.

So killing and murder is different? How?

Am thinking hard about this especially in light of Syria, trying to understand it. Accept it.

Storyteller wrote:So killing and murder is different? How?

Am thinking hard about this especially in light of Syria, trying to understand it. Accept it.

Technically the soldier or the Police officer must be in the line of duty however it is not murder in the eyes of God if they are in the line of duty upholding the laws of the land and must kill to do it.

JurassicTerrorist wrote: Heck i've even heard "liberals" claim that abortion being a sin is a "myth".

And you dont have to be religious to believe abortion is wrong either.
http://thefederalist.com/2015/07/27/you ... -is-wrong/

Ecclesiastes 3:1-8

RickD wrote:Thou shalt not murder.

You can start with that.

I was thinking of something more specific like if the unborn baby has a personhood. Pro-choice people claim personhood comes at birth, so therefore they mean it's not wrong to kill an unborn child.

JurassicTerrorist wrote:

RickD wrote:Thou shalt not murder.

You can start with that.

I was thinking of something more specific like if the unborn baby has a personhood. Pro-choice people claim personhood comes at birth, so therefore they mean it's not wrong to kill an unborn child.

Yes. I know the argument. They believe location determines personhood. Not the least bit logical, IMO.

I don't know of any scripture that mentions personhood. But take scripture out of the argument. Have them look at it scientifically. When does human life begin?

RickD wrote:

JurassicTerrorist wrote:

RickD wrote:Thou shalt not murder.

You can start with that.

I was thinking of something more specific like if the unborn baby has a personhood. Pro-choice people claim personhood comes at birth, so therefore they mean it's not wrong to kill an unborn child.

Yes. I know the argument. They believe location determines personhood. Not the least bit logical, IMO.

I don't know of any scripture that mentions personhood. But take scripture out of the argument. Have them look at it scientifically. When does human life begin?

When the sperm cell unites with the female egg (ovum), but i think it's more about whether or not a baby has a mental state inside the womb (e.g a personality). As for the Bible, from what i can see, it seems like it says the baby has a personhood e.g Luke 1:44, Jeremiah 1:5.

Perhaps straying a little off topic, but interesting read nonetheless:
http://www.catholiceducation.org/en/con ... onist.html

Luke 1:44

I think this fits very well JT.

Does anyone else find it particularly interesting that the first announcement made to and from Christ on earth was done as an unborn child - to an unborn child ? Can there be any better example of why you don't kill innocent, unborn children ... Yes, certainly there are many reasons for abortion ... some may even be valid, but the entirety (well over 1 billion since 1980) of cannot be explained by those potentially valid reasons.
http://www.numberofabortions.com/

Oh yes, from the moment of conception God placed us as individual persons. If He can use babies to introduce himself to the world, how can we remove the very instruments of our salvation from His use ?