Evidence for God from Science

Well, I found eight of them (not 100% sure on their validity).


The Athiest: this person says “there is no God so there is no throne of glory, justice or grace.” The atheist has no constraints on his behaviour. He glorifies himself or other gods, fears no judgement and so sins without restraint. He is self absorbed, self centred and lacks kindness as he has no grasp of grace.

The Worshipper: this person knows that the throne of God is a throne of glory alone. You’ll see this person at all the major worship events, with hands raised and spirit overflowing with reverence and joy. Outside the worship arena his life is unchanged, he sins with impunity and never asks for forgiveness, as he has no concept of God’s reign of justice nor of his grace.

The Moralist: this person knows that the throne of God is a throne of justice alone. You’ll see this person campaigning for social justice, strictly upholding the 10 commandments, seeking changes on the abortion law and tutting at the immoral. No joy in worship and no concept of grace, this person is cold, hard and moral.

The Open Sinner: this person knows that God’s rule is a rule of grace alone. Everything she does is under God’s grace and her forgiveness is all that matters to her. She has no idea that her behaviour could glorify God or that her sin is serious because of the judgement throne of God. This is the sort of person Paul had in mind when he wrote Romans 6.

The Legalist: this person is concerned about the glory of God and the law, because he knows that God sits on a throne of glory and justice. He will either be proud and arrogant because he thinks that his behaviour glorifies God or he’ll be sad and defeated because he knows he can’t stand before God’s throne of justice. Without the throne of grace his behaviour can never truly glorify God as God’s glory is seen in the grace of Christ in his death for our sin.

The Neonomian: this person is focused on his present condition before God which is based on a mixture of grace and works. He can only see the twin thrones of grace and justice and has lost sight of God’s throne of glory. Thus, he forgets that God has graciously given him the gift of righteousness through faith in Christ alone (Romans 4:5) for the hope of the glory of God (Romans 5:2). He doesn’t know that God has already glorified him (Romans 8:30). So, his attitude swings from confidence to uncertainty as his grasp of grace and his moral performance are mixed. In his own eyes, he’s only as good as his last game.

The Antinomian: this is what happens to the person who wants to glorify God by emphasising his grace and glory alone. This person refuses to accept God as judge and so will not humbly and submit to his commandments and statutes which God has given us for our good (Deut 10:12-13). This is especially true of western liberal Christianity with respect to sexual ethics.

The joyful obedience of faith: this is the sort of person Paul wanted the Romans to be when he wrote to them. Joyful before the throne of glory (Romans 15:13), obedient before the throne of justice and confident before the throne of grace (Romans 6:22-23), through faith in Christ alone (Romans 3:21-22). The complete Christian knows that God sits on a throne which draws us to him because he is glorious, just and full of grace and mercy.


(source: https://transforminggrace.wordpress.com ... ity-types/)

You forgot "Lordship Salvationist": The sort of person who claims to be saved by grace, then fruit inspects everyone else based on works in order to determine their salvation (and will let them know it) Then posts snarky categories to sanctimoniously ridicule other Christians on their blog. Will likely go before Christ in the judgement, call Him Lord, and boast of their accomplishments. Can't see beyond their John Piper fetish to read what Matthew 7:21-23 and Luke 18:9-14 are really about. See also Genesis 11:4, Epistle to the Galatians, and the SNL Church Lady.

I'm not sure that any of those listed are "personality types".

SoCalExile wrote:............... then fruit inspects everyone else based on works in order to determine their salvation (and will let them know it) Then posts snarky categories ..............

.....and conducts a poll on the god and science discussion forum.

It bugs me. These categories are strawmen. We are all sinners, even after we receive a new heart, because we retain the old flesh, thus we still fall short of the glory of God until we leave it. Fact is Romans 6 is about all Christians since it's about the old nature we still retain, but pop pastors don't see it, along with Romans 7-8, as a single thought regarding the two natures of every Christian. They just see everyone else's issues and not their own; probably because they've gotten so much mileage out of ignoring it in fame and book sales. Please read Galatians 5:17-23 and Romans 13:10.

BTW this isn't a condemnation of you LH; apologies of it came off that way. Looking at his blog it seems it's a pattern of behavior; and one that frankly rustles my jimmies.

SoCalExile wrote:BTW this isn't a condemnation of you LH; apologies of it came off that way. Looking at his blog it seems it's a pattern of behavior; and one that frankly rustles my jimmies.

Thanks SCE. I got a little paranoid. I also watered down the first category changing the title "The Fool" to the "The Atheist". I thought the original post was being a bit judgmental - i.e., just because you deny God does not make you a fool. Atheists (or any sort of person for that matter) can be "queued up for salvation" so to speak. e.g. I know of many (former) Atheists that have received salvation.


Edit: "There will be more joy in heaven over one sinner (including Atheists) who repents than 99 righteous personality types who need no repentance" (Luke 15:7)

Calling Dr. Luke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asmFWJqJfBw

The parables in Luke 15 are about believers who stray.

Personality types are sanguine, cholaric, phlegmatic, and there's another I can't think of. A person can take personality tests to determine which one or combinations of they are. There's a paper back book about how the positives / negatives of those personality types / by Tim LaHaye / Why you act the way you do.

Little Hampster -- where did you find Your list.

And, yes, by their fruits you can know them -- the fruits of the Spirit. Galatians 5.

crochet1949 wrote:Personality types are sanguine, cholaric, phlegmatic, and there's another I can't think of. A person can take personality tests to determine which one or combinations of they are. There's a paper back book about how the positives / negatives of those personality types / by Tim LaHaye / Why you act the way you do.

Little Hampster -- where did you find Your list.

And, yes, by their fruits you can know them -- the fruits of the Spirit. Galatians 5.

The source link is at the bottom of the first post in this thread. Maybe "Belief Types" would've been a more accurate title than "Personality Types". I didn't even know you could categorize people like that until I read the article. Although I can now see some of it in the mainstream religions.

Thanks for pointing that out -- the link. Will read it.

The article -- very thought provoking -- sounds kind of like the 1st couple of chapters of Revelation. When the angel of the church is talking to the 7 churches of Asia. The strengths and weaknesses of those churches and ours these days.

There are still pastors who try to reach their people with God's Word -- but there is a Lot of pressure put on the pastor to teach / talk about social issues from the world's perspective rather than what God wants from us. People hire the pastor and pay his salary. Or the hierarchie of the denomination picks /chooses / appoints leaders to congregations. Lots of liberal teaching taking place.

Lots of people don't want to hear serious Bible doctrine.

Yes, Galatians 5...and which tree does this article's "fruit" come from? It's not the fruit of the Spirit.

And yes, some don't want to hear sound doctrine, they want to hear John Piper or Paul Washer tickle their ears and tell them their works will get them into heaven, yet ignore the rest of Galatians, and James 2:10, and Luke 7:47, 18:9-14, Romans 4:2-8, 7:19...

SCE -- Galatians 5:22 "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, self-control, ......." It comes from having the Holy Spirit come to indwell a person at the moment of their salvation.

Just like a tree that no one seems to recognize what it is until it bears it's fruit. Or it buds out and people recognize it's leaves. An apple tree 'bears' apples, a pear tree produces pears. So a person sees the Fruit and knows what kind of tree it is.

James 2:10 "For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all." Keeping the entire law all the time is impossible which is why we need salvation. Trying to keep the law won't earn anyone salvation.
I think we're agreeing that good works don't save.
Believing in God, yes. What does the person believe About God.