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It depends on what you wish to do.Kurieuo wrote:Just a "simple" question for those who do not believe in God: Should I do as I please?
Why does it depend upon what I wish to do?Kenny wrote:It depends on what you wish to do.Kurieuo wrote:Just a "simple" question for those who do not believe in God: Should I do as I please?
Because you may want to do something I consider to be unfairKurieuo wrote:Why does it depend upon what I wish to do?Kenny wrote:It depends on what you wish to do.Kurieuo wrote:Just a "simple" question for those who do not believe in God: Should I do as I please?
What is unfair? I think the whole world is unfair!Kenny wrote:Because you may want to do something I consider to be unfairKurieuo wrote:Why does it depend upon what I wish to do?Kenny wrote:It depends on what you wish to do.Kurieuo wrote:Just a "simple" question for those who do not believe in God: Should I do as I please?
If you and I disagree on what is fair, the best I could do is to get society involved and perhaps make my case to them in an effort to get a law passed on the issue. Of course you have the same option as well; whoever makes the best case wins.Kurieuo wrote:What is unfair? I think the whole world is unfair!Kenny wrote:Because you may want to do something I consider to be unfairKurieuo wrote:Why does it depend upon what I wish to do?Kenny wrote:It depends on what you wish to do.Kurieuo wrote:Just a "simple" question for those who do not believe in God: Should I do as I please?
Let's say I have a blacklist of people in my mind who've crossed me in one way or another that I'd like to off.
Then in the finale act, I'll just do myself in also as a kind of self-retribution for participating in it all.
Maybe you'd say, "No!" I should not do such. Beyond saying you disagree what then? Nothing.
Why shouldn't I do as I please, it's my life to do with as I please!
Whoever makes the best case wins, really?Kenny wrote:If you and I disagree on what is fair, the best I could do is to get society involved and perhaps make my case to them in an effort to get a law passed on the issue. Of course you have the same option as well; whoever makes the best case wins.Kurieuo wrote:What is unfair? I think the whole world is unfair!Kenny wrote:Because you may want to do something I consider to be unfairKurieuo wrote:Why does it depend upon what I wish to do?Kenny wrote: It depends on what you wish to do.
Let's say I have a blacklist of people in my mind who've crossed me in one way or another that I'd like to off.
Then in the finale act, I'll just do myself in also as a kind of self-retribution for participating in it all.
Maybe you'd say, "No!" I should not do such. Beyond saying you disagree what then? Nothing.
Why shouldn't I do as I please, it's my life to do with as I please!
Perhaps you both won.Kenny wrote:If you and I disagree on what is fair, the best I could do is to get society involved and perhaps make my case to them in an effort to get a law passed on the issue. Of course you have the same option as well; whoever makes the best case wins.Kurieuo wrote:What is unfair? I think the whole world is unfair!Kenny wrote:Because you may want to do something I consider to be unfairKurieuo wrote: Why does it depend upon what I wish to do?
Let's say I have a blacklist of people in my mind who've crossed me in one way or another that I'd like to off.
Then in the finale act, I'll just do myself in also as a kind of self-retribution for participating in it all.
Maybe you'd say, "No!" I should not do such. Beyond saying you disagree what then? Nothing.
Why shouldn't I do as I please, it's my life to do with as I please!
Yes! In this particular case, whoever succeeds in getting society to enact a law around what they feels is right wins.Kurieuo wrote: Whoever makes the best case wins, really?
Such a person on a suicide mission will probably kill lots of people, before he gets killed…..what’s your point?Kurieuo wrote: I'd say many have succeeded in doing what they please.
Take some mass shooting wherein the shooter didn't care about dying, or 9/11...
Do you seriously think you won against these with your "best case" to some social system they clearly didn't care an ounce for?
No point, but "your winning" seems to be rather lackluster and a hollow victory.Kenny wrote:Kenny wrote:If you and I disagree on what is fair, the best I could do is to get society involved and perhaps make my case to them in an effort to get a law passed on the issue. Of course you have the same option as well; whoever makes the best case wins.Kurieuo wrote:What is unfair? I think the whole world is unfair!Kenny wrote:Because you may want to do something I consider to be unfairKurieuo wrote: Why does it depend upon what I wish to do?
Let's say I have a blacklist of people in my mind who've crossed me in one way or another that I'd like to off.
Then in the finale act, I'll just do myself in also as a kind of self-retribution for participating in it all.
Maybe you'd say, "No!" I should not do such. Beyond saying you disagree what then? Nothing.
Why shouldn't I do as I please, it's my life to do with as I please!Yes! In this particular case, whoever succeeds in getting society to enact a law around what they feels is right wins.Kurieuo wrote: Whoever makes the best case wins, really?Such a person on a suicide mission will probably kill lots of people, before he gets killed…..what’s your point?Kurieuo wrote: I'd say many have succeeded in doing what they please.
Take some mass shooting wherein the shooter didn't care about dying, or 9/11...
Do you seriously think you won against these with your "best case" to some social system they clearly didn't care an ounce for?
Kenny wrote:Kenny wrote:If you and I disagree on what is fair, the best I could do is to get society involved and perhaps make my case to them in an effort to get a law passed on the issue. Of course you have the same option as well; whoever makes the best case wins.Kurieuo wrote:What is unfair? I think the whole world is unfair!Kenny wrote: Because you may want to do something I consider to be unfair
Let's say I have a blacklist of people in my mind who've crossed me in one way or another that I'd like to off.
Then in the finale act, I'll just do myself in also as a kind of self-retribution for participating in it all.
Maybe you'd say, "No!" I should not do such. Beyond saying you disagree what then? Nothing.
Why shouldn't I do as I please, it's my life to do with as I please!Yes! In this particular case, whoever succeeds in getting society to enact a law around what they feels is right wins.Kurieuo wrote: Whoever makes the best case wins, really?Such a person on a suicide mission will probably kill lots of people, before he gets killed…..what’s your point?Kurieuo wrote: I'd say many have succeeded in doing what they please.
Take some mass shooting wherein the shooter didn't care about dying, or 9/11...
Do you seriously think you won against these with your "best case" to some social system they clearly didn't care an ounce for?
In this context “winning” is getting society to agree with what you feel is right. Humans are natural social creatures, so when you can get the backing of the society they have chosen to become a part of; to support their version of right vs wrong, they get to live in a social environment where their version of right is enforced by the law of societyKurieuo wrote: No point, but "your winning" seems to be rather lackluster and a hollow victory.
If you choose to live by yourself; away from society, you can do whatever you want and suffer the consequences thereof.Kurieuo wrote: Furthermore, I'm not sure I understand the reason why such "should not" have done as they pleased despite laws they evidently disagree with. After all, it's their life, not societies'.
As I said before, if you live by yourself and stay away from other people, you can do what you want and suffer the consequences that may result.Kurieuo wrote: The most I see you could say is such a person was a loser in the sense that they were a lost to society. But then, remove yourself from your shoes and place yourself in theirs -- as lost to society and vice-versa society being lost on them, should they not do as they please even if that involved killing lots of people and in their eyes making a lasting improvement upon the world?
This is a huge planet with lots of deserted areas where people do not exist. Perhaps he could go to one of those places and live by himselfKurieuo wrote: You know, I've had one friend tell me the world would be much better if humans simply did not exist. No one polluting the world, no wars and massive evils committed, no this species and that species becoming extinct, no natural environments being corrupted and laid to waste. Is such thinking something that should not be had?
Yes, I can see how "society" agreeing means one is winning.Kenny wrote:Kenny wrote:Kenny wrote:If you and I disagree on what is fair, the best I could do is to get society involved and perhaps make my case to them in an effort to get a law passed on the issue. Of course you have the same option as well; whoever makes the best case wins.Kurieuo wrote:What is unfair? I think the whole world is unfair!Kenny wrote: Because you may want to do something I consider to be unfair
Let's say I have a blacklist of people in my mind who've crossed me in one way or another that I'd like to off.
Then in the finale act, I'll just do myself in also as a kind of self-retribution for participating in it all.
Maybe you'd say, "No!" I should not do such. Beyond saying you disagree what then? Nothing.
Why shouldn't I do as I please, it's my life to do with as I please!Yes! In this particular case, whoever succeeds in getting society to enact a law around what they feels is right wins.Kurieuo wrote: Whoever makes the best case wins, really?Such a person on a suicide mission will probably kill lots of people, before he gets killed…..what’s your point?Kurieuo wrote: I'd say many have succeeded in doing what they please.
Take some mass shooting wherein the shooter didn't care about dying, or 9/11...
Do you seriously think you won against these with your "best case" to some social system they clearly didn't care an ounce for?In this context “winning” is getting society to agree with what you feel is right. Humans are natural social creatures, so when you can get the backing of the society they have chosen to become a part of; to support their version of right vs wrong, they get to live in a social environment where their version of right is enforced by the law of societyKurieuo wrote: No point, but "your winning" seems to be rather lackluster and a hollow victory.
Yes, tell that to those who suicide kill themselves. Don't you know they go straight to paradise? They got what they wanted for sacrificing their life. A "higher" society agreed with them if you will, just as meaningful as any finite human society which'll die out right?Kenny wrote:If you choose to live by yourself; away from society, you can do whatever you want and suffer the consequences thereof.Kurieuo wrote: Furthermore, I'm not sure I understand the reason why such "should not" have done as they pleased despite laws they evidently disagree with. After all, it's their life, not societies'.
Because the society of people will outnumber you, you must take their laws into consideration before doing as you please. My point only applies if you choose to live in a society of other people.
Bah, to someone who cares zero for the consequences that society might pay them, such matters little. It seems, you turned away from Christianity due to some fire and brimstone preaching, and yet you think you win due to whatever "fire and brimstone" society might serve up? You haven't strayed much from the Christianity you were brought up with Kenny.Kenny wrote:As I said before, if you live by yourself and stay away from other people, you can do what you want and suffer the consequences that may result.Kurieuo wrote: The most I see you could say is such a person was a loser in the sense that they were a lost to society. But then, remove yourself from your shoes and place yourself in theirs -- as lost to society and vice-versa society being lost on them, should they not do as they please even if that involved killing lots of people and in their eyes making a lasting improvement upon the world?
Perhaps a terrorist could go to a deserted area and live alone, but if he wants to die killing you, and he succeeds, then he wins regardless of what you or any one "society" says. Right? Well, at least you won because the law in society didn't agree with him killing you. You have that I suppose.Kenny wrote:This is a huge planet with lots of deserted areas where people do not exist. Perhaps he could go to one of those places and live by himselfKurieuo wrote: You know, I've had one friend tell me the world would be much better if humans simply did not exist. No one polluting the world, no wars and massive evils committed, no this species and that species becoming extinct, no natural environments being corrupted and laid to waste. Is such thinking something that should not be had?
Then again...
If it makes you feel better, I can pretend I'm atheist, and answer your question.Kurieuo wrote:As an addendum, while I'm playing with you Kenny in my last post, I appreciate you weighing in. I must say, I'm disappointed no other residential non-Christians here have taken up the question as yet.
You'd just be pretending eh?RickD wrote:If it makes you feel better, I can pretend I'm atheist, and answer your question.Kurieuo wrote:As an addendum, while I'm playing with you Kenny in my last post, I appreciate you weighing in. I must say, I'm disappointed no other residential non-Christians here have taken up the question as yet.
Feel free to answer, I'm feeling a bit disappointed more didn't respond. 