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Is Atheism a Belief System?

Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 12:46 pm
by Nessa

Re: Is Atheism a Belief System?

Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 12:51 pm
by RickD
Good find Nessa.

But instead of dealing with the link, I think I'll take my ball and go home. :greedy:

Re: Is Atheism a Belief System?

Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 1:14 pm
by Katabole
Thanks for the article. It was written by Andy Bannister. I have his recent book, 'The Atheist Who Didn't Exist: Or The Dreadful Consequences of Bad Arguments'. I really liked the book and it is funny.

Re: Is Atheism a Belief System?

Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 1:54 pm
by Kenny
I didn’t have the patience to go through the entire link, but I did get through the first section thus I will comment on the part I read.

His friend that claims Sweden doesn’t exist is making a claim. If he is trying to convince someone other than himself of this claim he needs to provide evidence to support his claim, because the burden of proof is on the person making the claim.
The same could be said of an Atheist; if he goes around telling people God does not exist, he is making a claim thus if he expects to convince someone else, he needs to provide evidence to support his claim.

Ken

Re: Is Atheism a Belief System?

Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 2:06 pm
by Nessa
Kenny wrote:
I didn’t have the patience to go through the entire link, but I did get through the first section thus I will comment on the part I read.

His friend that claims Sweden doesn’t exist is making a claim. If he is trying to convince someone other than himself of this claim he needs to provide evidence to support his claim, because the burden of proof is on the person making the claim.
The same could be said of an Atheist; if he goes around telling people God does not exist, he is making a claim thus if he expects to convince someone else, he needs to provide evidence to support his claim.

Ken
If someone makes a claim does that mean they have a belief?

Re: Is Atheism a Belief System?

Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 2:32 pm
by Kenny
Nessa wrote:
Kenny wrote:
I didn’t have the patience to go through the entire link, but I did get through the first section thus I will comment on the part I read.

His friend that claims Sweden doesn’t exist is making a claim. If he is trying to convince someone other than himself of this claim he needs to provide evidence to support his claim, because the burden of proof is on the person making the claim.
The same could be said of an Atheist; if he goes around telling people God does not exist, he is making a claim thus if he expects to convince someone else, he needs to provide evidence to support his claim.

Ken
If someone makes a claim does that mean they have a belief?
Obviously he is going to believe what he is claiming; so yes.

Ken

Re: Is Atheism a Belief System?

Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 2:37 pm
by Nessa
Kenny wrote:
Nessa wrote:
Kenny wrote:
I didn’t have the patience to go through the entire link, but I did get through the first section thus I will comment on the part I read.

His friend that claims Sweden doesn’t exist is making a claim. If he is trying to convince someone other than himself of this claim he needs to provide evidence to support his claim, because the burden of proof is on the person making the claim.
The same could be said of an Atheist; if he goes around telling people God does not exist, he is making a claim thus if he expects to convince someone else, he needs to provide evidence to support his claim.

Ken
If someone makes a claim does that mean they have a belief?
Obviously he is going to believe what he is claiming; so yes.

Ken
So when an atheist makes any sort of claim about God, then would you say an atheist has a belief?

Re: Is Atheism a Belief System?

Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 2:43 pm
by Kenny
Nessa wrote:
Kenny wrote:
Nessa wrote:
Kenny wrote:
I didn’t have the patience to go through the entire link, but I did get through the first section thus I will comment on the part I read.

His friend that claims Sweden doesn’t exist is making a claim. If he is trying to convince someone other than himself of this claim he needs to provide evidence to support his claim, because the burden of proof is on the person making the claim.
The same could be said of an Atheist; if he goes around telling people God does not exist, he is making a claim thus if he expects to convince someone else, he needs to provide evidence to support his claim.

Ken
If someone makes a claim does that mean they have a belief?
Obviously he is going to believe what he is claiming; so yes.

Ken
So when an atheist makes any sort of claim about God, then would you say an atheist has a belief?
Everybody has a belief about one issue or another, but yes; when an atheist makes a claim about God, that is a belief.

Ken

Re: Is Atheism a Belief System?

Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 2:45 pm
by Nessa
Kenny wrote:
Nessa wrote:
Kenny wrote:
Nessa wrote:
Kenny wrote:
I didn’t have the patience to go through the entire link, but I did get through the first section thus I will comment on the part I read.

His friend that claims Sweden doesn’t exist is making a claim. If he is trying to convince someone other than himself of this claim he needs to provide evidence to support his claim, because the burden of proof is on the person making the claim.
The same could be said of an Atheist; if he goes around telling people God does not exist, he is making a claim thus if he expects to convince someone else, he needs to provide evidence to support his claim.

Ken
If someone makes a claim does that mean they have a belief?
Obviously he is going to believe what he is claiming; so yes.

Ken
So when an atheist makes any sort of claim about God, then would you say an atheist has a belief?
Everybody has a belief about one issue or another, but yes; when an atheist makes a claim about God, that is a belief.

Ken
So would you say, Dawkins, for instance who makes many claims about God, has a belief system?

Re: Is Atheism a Belief System?

Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 2:50 pm
by Kenny
Nessa wrote:
Kenny wrote:
Nessa wrote:
Kenny wrote:
Nessa wrote:
If someone makes a claim does that mean they have a belief?
Obviously he is going to believe what he is claiming; so yes.

Ken
So when an atheist makes any sort of claim about God, then would you say an atheist has a belief?
Everybody has a belief about one issue or another, but yes; when an atheist makes a claim about God, that is a belief.

Ken
So would you say, Dawkins, for instance who makes many claims about God, has a belief system?
Believe it or not; I know very little about Dawkins, or other (so called) prominent Atheists. I suspect most christians know much more about him than I because for me he is a non issue. I can't comment on what he might believe or say, but I would say it is probably possible for someone to make atheism a belief system.

Ken

Re: Is Atheism a Belief System?

Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 3:02 pm
by Nessa
Kenny wrote:
Nessa wrote:
Kenny wrote:
Nessa wrote:
Kenny wrote:
Obviously he is going to believe what he is claiming; so yes.

Ken
So when an atheist makes any sort of claim about God, then would you say an atheist has a belief?
Everybody has a belief about one issue or another, but yes; when an atheist makes a claim about God, that is a belief.

Ken
So would you say, Dawkins, for instance who makes many claims about God, has a belief system?
Believe it or not; I know very little about Dawkins, or other (so called) prominent Atheists. I suspect most christians know much more about him than I because for me he is a non issue. I can't comment on what he might believe or say, but I would say it is probably possible for someone to make atheism a belief system.

Ken
So you dont think atheism is necessarily a belief system though it's possible for someone to make it one?

Would you say you had a belief system about God?

Re: Is Atheism a Belief System?

Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 3:33 pm
by Kenny
Nessa wrote:
Kenny wrote:
Nessa wrote:
Kenny wrote:
Nessa wrote:
So when an atheist makes any sort of claim about God, then would you say an atheist has a belief?
Everybody has a belief about one issue or another, but yes; when an atheist makes a claim about God, that is a belief.

Ken
So would you say, Dawkins, for instance who makes many claims about God, has a belief system?
Believe it or not; I know very little about Dawkins, or other (so called) prominent Atheists. I suspect most christians know much more about him than I because for me he is a non issue. I can't comment on what he might believe or say, but I would say it is probably possible for someone to make atheism a belief system.

Ken
So you dont think atheism is necessarily a belief system though it's possible for someone to make it one?

Would you say you had a belief system about God?
Not sure if my opinion on issues (beliefs) could be considered a "belief system" but if is it; it definitely doesn't involve God

Ken

Re: Is Atheism a Belief System?

Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 6:28 pm
by crackpot
I didn't read the link because I don't need to. Here is the answer to the question in the title:

A: For a few atheists, their atheism is built around beliefs. Many of these beliefs are grounded in pseudoscience and fueled by anger, vanity or other negative emotions. That's why many of the atheists who post on forums seem angry and use vulgar language. You'll also find they had various serious difficulties while growing up.

Most atheists just don't think about why they are atheists and these will share in the foolish beliefs of society at large. Karma comes immediately to mind for some reason...

Re: Is Atheism a Belief System?

Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 10:46 pm
by Kurieuo
Nessa, who are you talking to in your posts?

Re: Is Atheism a Belief System?

Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 11:57 pm
by Nessa
Kurieuo wrote:Nessa, who are you talking to in your posts?
Kenny