Federalized Police Force
Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 5:55 am
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Jac,Jac3510 wrote:There is no secret Obama takeover of the police.
You should stop reading this smut, BW. It's bad for your health. (Literally.)
I spent a lot of time as an editor in my college days (undergrad and grad). I'm going to try to put those skills to use and restate this a bit for brevity and clarity for those who don't want to plod through all those details you provide:JButler wrote:Consent decrees have been around for quite a while. They've been used only in extreme cases of deep rooted problems within an agency, like corruption or sloppy lab work resulting in questionable findings. If it can be shown a dept or a section of a dept is so out of whack the locals cannot or will not correct it, then a lawsuit is brought against it. If cause is proven then the Federal judge of that jurisdiction becomes an overseer to monitor policy, consider complaints, etc.
Examples: Cicero IL (suburb of Chicago) has been under Federal oversight for a long time. It was the home of Al Capone and is thoroughly corrupt inside and out, top to bottom. The entire city govt (not just the PD) has been subject of numerous investigations over the years. Every time I was in Chicago the local news had a new story about some corrupt public official. At one time the entire police force was removed and Illinois State Police came in to patrol it. Its believed that Cicero PD (and likely other city offices) are bugged by the FBI monitoring it for signs of corruption. Cicero has had numerous chances to straighten themselves out but the people seem so addicted to corruption they can't behave properly. The names change at City Hall but the story does not.
I don't think Chicago PD is under a decree. Its too large for a judge to monitor and quite frankly it would be a real handful for another agency to control given the overall nature of Chicago and all its problems. Cicero is a pretty small suburb so its within the ability of outsiders to monitor and even with that the problems don't go away.
Houston PD forensic lab was under a decree for putting out questionable findings which effected its credibility and couldn't be trusted to provide the whole truth and nothing but the truth. In Houston lab's case it was more an issue of lack of training and incompetent/careless management that got them in hot water. I know they were used as an example of what not to do in a couple training sessions I attended. Every policy change had to be approved by the judge as well as a structured program to improve competency.
Places like Newark NJ had a long history of questionable practices and abuse of power as well as corruption. What it boils down to is: if the local or state officials cannot or will not step in to protect the citizens from corrupt and power abusing local govt, then Big Daddy steps in.
In the past the decree path was one of last resort for the most extreme cases. I know the judges and Fed officers don't sit around looking for cans of worms to jump into because a decree situation is a royal pain to anyone involved.
I think the author of the article is being a bit loose with the truth. However the current White House occupant and his minions have certainly showed willingness to use available tools to strengthen centralized govt to implement without consent or vote.
I'm not worried about a Federalized police force or Federalization of local law enforcement. There would be an aggressive backlash if someone tried that, from the police themselves and a lot of citizens.
Yup. That looks better.JButler wrote:There is no secret Obama takeover of the police.
You know what else is troo cuz its on da intranetz? This.RickD wrote:Jac,Jac3510 wrote:There is no secret Obama takeover of the police.
You should stop reading this smut, BW. It's bad for your health. (Literally.)
It's on the intranetz, it must be trooooo.
Rofl!Jac3510 wrote: I spent a lot of time as an editor in my college days (undergrad and grad). I'm going to try to put those skills to use and restate this a bit for brevity and clarity for those who don't want to plod through all those details you provide:
Yup. That looks better.JButler wrote:There is no secret Obama takeover of the police.
In fairness to Obama, though, pretty much every president since Kennedy (maybe more?) has increased presidential authority. And yes, that includes Reagan. We've not had the government effectively shrink in . . . well . . . ever, that I know of.Hortator wrote:Hey Jac, let's be fair though. Obama has never come across an expansion of government he did not like. Would he do it? I believe absolutely he would do so. Could he do it? Well, with the advent of BLM, and the atmosphere of strife surrounding state police, a "federal solution" would seem warranted for the occasion. So could he, I think so.
But don't count your chickens before they hatch as the farmer says.
Just an interesting article open for debate, nothing more Jac... move on...Jac3510 wrote:There is no secret Obama takeover of the police.
You should stop reading this smut, BW. It's bad for your health. (Literally.)
No. YOU move on!B. W. wrote:Just an interesting article open for debate, nothing more Jac... move on...Jac3510 wrote:There is no secret Obama takeover of the police.
You should stop reading this smut, BW. It's bad for your health. (Literally.)
Hey, look, more outrage pr0n.B.W. wrote:+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Leftists at DNC
This is the sort of claptrap from the new BLM KKK...
Add to this BLM leaders trips to the white house
BLM activist attend meetings at White House
White House response to petition against BLM
If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck we are told it is not duck but we are instead told that we are the real quacks instead...
Why the support for the murder of police we see from such groups with White House access as well as a prez who attended Rev White's leftist church for 20 years?
What is the reason such radical groups desire to criminalize the local police?
That is what is missing from the equation...
Anyone dares ask the question is labeled a quack why?
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Alright, I concede that. For that reason, I am glad Obama was elected in 2008. We have never had more people than ever picking up history books, reading economics, the great philosophers like Bacon, Blackstone, Jefferson and reading scripture once again. We have never had more people educating themselves.Jac3510 wrote:In fairness to Obama, though, pretty much every president since Kennedy (maybe more?) has increased presidential authority. And yes, that includes Reagan. We've not had the government effectively shrink in . . . well . . . ever, that I know of.Hortator wrote:Hey Jac, let's be fair though. Obama has never come across an expansion of government he did not like. Would he do it? I believe absolutely he would do so. Could he do it? Well, with the advent of BLM, and the atmosphere of strife surrounding state police, a "federal solution" would seem warranted for the occasion. So could he, I think so.
But don't count your chickens before they hatch as the farmer says.
Citation, please.JButler wrote:No other president has ever come close to such low level meddling.
Groovey man...Jac3510 wrote:No. YOU move on!B. W. wrote:Just an interesting article open for debate, nothing more Jac... move on...Jac3510 wrote:There is no secret Obama takeover of the police.
You should stop reading this smut, BW. It's bad for your health. (Literally.)