Evidence for God from Science

This is a very interesting article!

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/201 ... he-numbers

In America, last year, black people killed a bit more than twice as many whites as whites killed blacks. And blacks killed 2,380 other blacks. White people killed 2,574 other whites. But as the population of whites is much larger, it makes sense that the odds are that more of the larger percentage race would be killed (mere opportunity of what race would be more likely encountered by all). But it also shows the terrible rate (they're ALL terrible), percentage wise, that whites are killing blacks at, given how small their percentage of the population is. And especially horrible, if you look at it purely through a racial lens, being at such a significantly smaller percentage of the population, blacks are killing blacks at horrific rates. And while people tend to kill those of the race they are most around, blacks are killing blacks at an enormous rate for their population size, with so much of it happening in urban areas of large eastern cities. Yes, it's the dirty little PC secret.

Anyway, it's all very tragic, in our fallen world. But the stats show that the perceptions created by media aren't always accurate.

Blacks killing blacks has ALWAYS been a far bigger issue than whites killing blacks.
It is just not politically correct to state the facts.

As for putting a racial designation in front of a slogan _____ lives matter. WHY???!!! Of COURSE, whatever you fill that blank in with, they tremendously matter! But the question is, why is that their only focus AND why do people tend to get far more upset about killings of people of their own racial self identity, whenever done by those of other races, than when the inverse happens, or when the killer and the victim are of the same race? It shows me they are typically racial hypocrites, at best, and racists, at worst.

Other thing that shows great hypocrisy: A person says they are upset over violence - let's say a white cop has shot a black man, unnecessarily/callously. Well, I'm upset about that as well. Sure, we should weed out certain people before they ever get the chance to put on a uniform. But here's where we can see the hypocrisy and racism. A person is mostly only incensed whenever the race of the victim matches their race, and the officer or killer is of another race. And so, one says they are fed up with violence and aggression against those they hold dearest. OK, fine. But then do you go out in the streets, burn buildings and cars, loot, cause all manner of mayhem, threaten, assault (or worse) others in law enforcement - attacking people who had absolutely nothing to do with what one individual has done, asserting that individual to be typical of the attitudes of an entire race, and so these people go out and do the VERY SAME THINGS they are supposedly upset over, to people who had nothing to do with it, police, etc., who only want to go home safely to their families that night.

Here's the other thing, going on racially. So many individuals in ALL races think of their own race as being morally superior, as they seem to think there is some moral defect in those of other races, and they can't seem to see the negativity or violence caused by others as having been perpetrated by an INDIVIDUAL as opposed to seeing that perpetrator mostly based upon their skin color. And all races have such individuals. And the criminal, narcissistic thinking so often is revealed with those of the greatest economic stresses, because their circumstances make them angrier and more desperate. And so the evil in their hearts is more quickly revealed. Those of more means have ways of hiding these things better - but they are there, nonetheless. And they don't take the shortcut of crime as much because they economic prosperity means they don't have to take such risks. Make rich or middle class people poor, and their crime rates will also soar, WHATEVER their race.

The other issue is, whenever a society has a minority of a relatively small percentage of the population, and that minority is disadvantaged economically, opportunity wise, etc. (in general), and the authorities are made up of a much larger percentage of the majority race, this means the number of minorities clashing with police are going to be disproportion to the negative law enforcement encounters with those of the majority race. And you can plug in and invert these same variables/races, from society to society, and with whatever the races are. Because human beings have a sin problem. And so racism is just one of the major signs of it. And because racial hatred is one of Satan's favorite tools, he knows how to keep the flames blazing away. Really, it was no different in Jesus' time - think of how hated the Samaritans and Romans were - anyone non-Jewish was considered as being one of "the dogs." Jews of the period thought only they could go to heaven. When Jesus engaged the woman at the well (of mixed race), it blew the disciples minds! When the Roman centurion Cornelius became saved, Peter was astounded - even as a Christian, he didn't realize God is an equal-opportunity Savior! And Peter still struggled with falling in with political/religious bigotry, as Paul had to call him out upon siding with the Judaisers.

Actually the democratic party, in order to secure a perceptual voting block designed programs to keep blacks and minorities in metropolitan geographic locations all grouped together. They provided poor school choices, provide welfare, destroyed the family unit in these areas so you have a large population easily hooked on handouts and use scar tactics that these handouts will be taken away if they do not vote.In these areas racism was used as continued means for this end too.

Now we see the fruit of Democrat parties polices reaping the whirlwind right now. That is why the high percentage of black deaths. No family unit, no hope, constant blame game, taught they are victims in need of 'mastar' the democratic party to supply their needs...

I watched this first hand from the late 1960's to current date and it sickens me that Liberals are that cruel to their fellow human beings in order to secure votes every election cycle and never delivers on any of their promises. The Black community is being played fools...

That is the truth as to why the high crime rates - the democrat party platform is a farce and the inner cities prove it all a big con.
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#whitepeepularedevilz

If we simply look at the numbers ( and in stats that is ALL we can do), what we have is this:
Black people kill more white people than white people kill black.
By more than double.

500 compared to 229.

The number one killer of black people were other black people ( #1 killer of whites were whites also of course).

The numbers tell us this:
IF racism is a factor then black people are more racist than whites ( since they kill more non-blacks).
Racism is NOT the main factor in homicides ( since the number one killer or any race is their own race).

What a comforting way to look at it. Obviously systemic racism doesn't exist, or if it does then it's the dirty liberals' fault. Poverty, inequality, and hopelessness aren't a contributing factor, or if they are then the liberals are to blame for that as well. Black Lives Matter is just a bunch of racist hooligans, and All Lives Matter is a true and noble response to their baffling, irrational behavior. Conservative whites have nothing to do with any of it. They're completely innocent - pure as the driven snow. They can just sit back, serene in their superiority, and point out that they've always voted Republican so their hands are clean.

That's great, guys. I can see why my opinions are so often greeted with scorn in these parts. You don't need anybody nudging your house of cards.

If we simply look at the numbers ( and in stats that is ALL we can do), what we have is this:
Black people kill more white people than white people kill black.
By more than double.

500 compared to 229.

The number one killer of black people were other black people ( #1 killer of whites were whites also of course).

The numbers tell us this:
IF racism is a factor then black people are more racist than whites ( since they kill more non-blacks).
Racism is NOT the main factor in homicides ( since the number one killer or any race is their own race).

Well, it's not that simple - saying that blacks kill more white people than whites kill blacks - although, statistically, true. This is because, while it's true that many black people are around more black people than whites, particularly in very segregated areas - however, if one looks at the MUCH larger numbers and percentage of whites encountered by blacks in criminal situations, it is far more likely that that many of these blacks killing whites are simply encountering many more whites, simply because only 12 percent of the population is back and about 75 percent is white - meaning there are just over six times as many white people as there are black people. So, criminally, while clearly many blacks target whites - and many of those are because whites, often more economically prosperous, thus often present more lucrative targets. Which is just a matter of numbers, and the reality that the opportunity for victims to be preyed upon is six times higher, due to the much higher white population, as that is the dominate race that will be far more encountered by ALL criminals.

Also, as the police force in many cities is overwhelmingly white, and as they far outnumber minorities, this means the overall, national OPPORTUNITY for negative encounters (whether driven by race or not) will likewise be over six times the likelihood that a minority will encounter a cop that is white, as opposed to a cop being black (and this is FAR more for certain some other minorities). Of course, a certain percentage of those encounters are going to be bad. But if the races of cops and those receiving unnecessary/uncalled for treatment were REVERSED, you see much the same statistics - certainly if economic issues and discrimination levels were the same. But many fail to see this, whatever their race.

And what is really disturbing is that blacks are killing blacks in hugely disproportionate numbers, as the statistical OPPORTUNITY for black victims, for criminal attacks/homicides, is much less, due to the far smaller population of blacks. However, as the article points out, people tend to kill those they encounter the most. But it still doesn't explain the disparity. But I submit that if the white (or ANY) population has the long dire economic and familial stresses in the same percentages as the black population, you'd see the same trends. Why? Because human beings are fallen and sinful. And the more economically advantaged they are, the less people tend to pursue the tough life of criminals. Take away the advantages, you'll see what people are willing to do. Of course, our public policies and courts have greatly amplified these issues, far beyond what the "mere" racial fractures of the past created. So, I submit that while these things do show trends per race, it doesn't mean that RACE is the predominate cause. Yet, unfortunately, for many, it can be the motivation and excuse for hate and violence. Go to places where skin colors are more homogeneous, the evil merely transitions per other demographic variables - religion, politics, power, whatever ethnic minority, etc. People are people, and men are fallen!

But what the article does very well reveal, per the current perceptions of many in the black community - is that all of this anger at cops and whites ignores statistical reality in favor of the oft agenda-driven and media narratives of various groups. But EVERY racial group has its misconceptions or cherry-picked perceptions. Again, economics and numbers. If you racially reversed the economics and power structure of America, you'd STATISTICALLY see: Whites committing crimes in very similar percentages as minorities do, AND you'd see the very same levels of discrimination by blacks - or WHATEVER the dominate racial group is, against whatever minorities in its midst. So while people are, unfortunately, often negatively motivated to hatred and violence per their racial attitudes, RACE itself isn't the cause! Dark human desires, attitudes and hearts are. That's the way the world has always been - across history and throughout Scripture. Typically, EVERY race has many within it that sees themselves (as a race) as being morally superior and far more righteous. Of course, that's complete, delusional crapola!

Why they are segregated into inner city communities is simple for voting district to vote democrat and there dumb down and made promises too that are never kept. Where they are force fed daily diatribe of racist rants blaming certain color of people for all their woes.

Obama's pastor for 20 years - The Rev Wright is but one example - of this. Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and the poverty pimps are all part of it too and good democrats. It is all about canvassing votes.

So certain minorities are kept on the Democrat plantation and are surrounded by endless social engineering experiments that result in poverty, loss of skills/drive/initiative, morality that all simply promote dependency on Govt. Therefore crime is higher as it is only way to economically survive in many cases. So there is a higher crime rate due directly to democrat policies.

Just check it out for yourself...
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Are there people motivated by racism who are involved in the Black Live Matter movement? Of course! Are there not also people who latched onto the ALL Lives Matter Movement that have racial motivations? Absolutely! Are there people in BOTH groups who are truly upset for legitimate reasons. Unquestionably! But I can tell you that joining up with ANY movement that identifies itself only by who/what race of victims it is mostly upset about, by identifying their group with a particular race - they're gonna add to the problem. Even the good, understandably/reasonably motivated people in such groups are going to ADD to the problem, through whatever inaccuracies or misperceptions that such racial alignment is going to produce.

Here's the thing, if you are upset about racism and injustice, BEGIN with an attitude and join whatever groups that are upset about ALL such injustice, no matter what particular race or demographic variable comes under attack. It that way, people of good conscience from all across a society can come alongside each other, build bridges and understandings as opposed to alienating people (whether intentionally, circumstantially, or by the hotheads in their midst). People who refuse to stand at the National Anthem, only go on about injustices ONLY towards a particular people - usually their own race - but when the same injustices happen to those of other races, or those of other races are victims of people of YOUR race, and yet you show no great concern - well, those people are phonies that are mostly playing to certain people (usually their own ethnic group), as if, "oh, look at me, I'm so freaking radical!" Please, if you are really concerned about such, don't do things or get involved with groups who are very likely to be misunderstood or that will most likely make matter far worse. Because there always hotheads and morons within every such group, this makes protest organized mostly under the umbrella of any certain race fraught with making the situation a whole lot worse.

The best way anyone can show their disgust over injustice and violence, is be colorblind to whomever you see as the victims of it, and to be equally upset, no matter the skin color of the victims. And only join protest groups that have such universal concerns. Luke 6:32 comes to my mind! And whatever you do, don't do things or join in groups only likely to make things worse, no matter how at least some of their members might truly have altruistic motivations.

My point is that STATS are STATS, and opinions from stats can go many ways.
The example I posted shows that my line of reasoning is 100% based on the facts presented by the stats.
Far more than the opposite of course.
Whole picture? of course not, not even close.
BUT that goes for the other side of the argument as well, EVEN MORE SO since the other side is NOT backed up by the stats.

edwardmurphy wrote:What a comforting way to look at it. Obviously systemic racism doesn't exist, or if it does then it's the dirty liberals' fault. Poverty, inequality, and hopelessness aren't a contributing factor, or if they are then the liberals are to blame for that as well. Black Lives Matter is just a bunch of racist hooligans, and All Lives Matter is a true and noble response to their baffling, irrational behavior. Conservative whites have nothing to do with any of it. They're completely innocent - pure as the driven snow. They can just sit back, serene in their superiority, and point out that they've always voted Republican so their hands are clean.

That's great, guys. I can see why my opinions are so often greeted with scorn in these parts. You don't need anybody nudging your house of cards.

Please tell me that your understand is NOT that shallow.

My understanding is not that shallow. Please reassure me that you can spot irony and sarcasm when it's laid on 3 feet thick.

edwardmurphy wrote:My understanding is not that shallow. Please reassure me that you can spot irony and sarcasm when it's laid on 3 feet thick.

So, you understood the post BUT made a sarcastic post that really doesn't apply to the post?


I think you may need to re-read my post and pay attention to the "IF's" in it and what is being stated.

The point of the posts is that stats do NOT give the full picture BUT if we do use them that the information present does NOT lend validity to the popular view of racism being the MAIN motivator in homicides.

Or did you not get that?

Black lives matter
Exceptionally so..
I couldn't care less for tabloids but I care for people.
When innocent people are unarmed and going about their lives and they gunned downed that's not justice, it's criminal.
It's actually disgusting.
[annoy people] enough and they react,
I don't blame them.
We treat them like shite, take way their dignity then criticise when they act desperate.
Then in our self righteousness we negate the very premise of their struggle
I pray that every man, woman and child can walk in peace without the threat of violence