what is a believer?
Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2016 8:22 am
Just someone who goes about believing things?
"The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands." (Psalm 19:1)
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Do you mean in the context of Christianity?Audie wrote:Just someone who goes about believing things?
Just like you do Audie...Audie wrote:Just someone who goes about believing things?
Partly. But in general, too.RickD wrote:Do you mean in the context of Christianity?Audie wrote:Just someone who goes about believing things?
People choose to believe in ANYTHING based on a myriad of things.I cannot "choose" to believe.
Cannot choose to believe is actually a choice statement...Audie wrote:
I dont "reject God. I cannot "choose" to believe...
The sentenc, as stated, is self-contradictory. Not believing or believing is not a choice, in and of itself. Now, choosing not to choose is a choice, insofar as it is choosing inaction. But you can't say "not believing to choose" (whatever that even means) is a choice. Again, the sentence as stated, makes election an act of the intellect, which is just not the case. The intellect does not elect. It judges. The will does not judge. It elects. Don't confuse the two faculties.B. W. wrote:Yes, Jac,
But not believing to choose any door is still a choice...
Of course, but that's completely, absolutely, and totally unrelated to the discussion.Question: So is an deaf, mute, blind, amputee quadriplegic human being still a sinner?
Not self contradictory - If I do not leave the house today instead of going to the store to buy groceries means I made the choice not to leave.Jac3510 wrote:The sentenc, as stated, is self-contradictory. Not believing or believing is not a choice, in and of itself. Now, choosing not to choose is a choice, insofar as it is choosing inaction. But you can't say "not believing to choose" (whatever that even means) is a choice. Again, the sentence as stated, makes election an act of the intellect, which is just not the case. The intellect does not elect. It judges. The will does not judge. It elects. Don't confuse the two faculties.B. W. wrote:Yes, Jac,
But not believing to choose any door is still a choice...
Of course, but that's completely, absolutely, and totally unrelated to the discussion.Question: So is an deaf, mute, blind, amputee quadriplegic human being still a sinner?
I agree with a fair bit of this. There're a lot of people that seem to adhere to a religion simply because of how it makes them feel, even when it doesn't really make sense to themselves intellectually.Audie wrote:I said earlier that it seems to me a bright line distinction between
people, those who apparently are able to just choose, and then believe, and those whose minds dont allow for that sort of self deception (as it seems to me to be).
People apparently do believe in the book of mormon, as translated from gold books found in a cave in upstate new york. Scientology. Floodery. Is there possibly anything so tomfool that it cant attract ardent, gullible believers?
Someone that insensible taints anything they say about what they believe and why.
To me a 'believer" seems like someone who just "believes" much as a fainter faints.
I am working on this idea, I guess if people want to snipe at it they can.