Evidence for God from Science

I'd be interested to see what people think.

Both. Subjective and objective. Since the "Both" choice isn't there, I can't vote.

I was toying with that idea too, but quickly thinking on it realise that any objectivity is founded upon subjectivity so therefore even science is a subjective enterprise.

Kurieuo wrote:I was toying with that idea too, but quickly thinking on it realise that any objectivity is founded upon subjectivity so therefore even science is a subjective enterprise.

I wouldn't go that far. Some sciences are purely objective while others (psychology, cosmology, paleontology, to name a few) have varying degrees of imagination cloaked as reality.

How can any science be purely objective when they require much investigation by subjects?

Kurieuo wrote:How can any science be purely objective...?

Technological (or applied) sciences such as engineering can be considered objective. Mathematics also.

Mathematics is a language, language is used by subjects. Technological sciences also require a subject to figure out and/or create (e.g., programming languages) and apply such knowledge.

Note, what I'm not saying is that such don't lead to truths, or aren't based on truth or true in and of themselves, rather I am saying that no matter what, such are all subject-dependant and therefore ultimately subjective. All knowledge in fact requires a knower.

There is this idea drilled into our societies that "Subjectivism" is bad and "Objectivism" is good for gaining knowledge and truth. Yet, just put aside that feeling for a moment. Clearly there is something wrong here, don't you think, that subjectivism can't do knowledge or truth when the subject/s are clearly at the heart and foundation of any such pursuits?

Kurieuo wrote:...I am saying that no matter what, such are all subject-dependant and therefore ultimately subjective....

You seem to be going off on a tangent. Especially here,

Kurieuo wrote:All knowledge in fact requires a knower.

...so we must part company. I was looking at the question as "science whose facts are absolutely certain" being objective knowledge, and "science whose observations fit a popular explanation" as subjective knowledge.

I'm gone.