Can Illegals Vote: Obama Responds!
Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 12:13 pm
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Maybe you need to watch the video again.edwardmurphy wrote:[nonsense] as usual.
Umm...edwardmurphy wrote:Maybe you need to read the transcript or watch the unedited video. It's still in plain English, only nobody modified it to make it look like the President was encouraging illegals to vote. I put a link in my previous post.
So she asked a weirdly phrased question, and he responded to the very last part - "So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?" She's asking a question from the perspective of an American citizen with undocumented family members. If I vote will they come for my family? Seems paranoid to me, but then I'm not an undocumented worker. Anyway, he assures her that Latino citizens who vote won't be tracked back to their homes and their families deported.RODRIGUEZ: Many of the millennials, Dreamers, undocumented citizens -- and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country -- are fearful of voting. So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?
OBAMA: Not true. And the reason is, first of all, when you vote, you are a citizen yourself. And there is not a situation where the voting rolls somehow are transferred over and people start investigating, et cetera. The sanctity of the vote is strictly confidential in terms of who you voted for. If you have a family member who maybe is undocumented, then you have an even greater reason to vote.
And here there's no question that he's talking about Latino citizens and encouraging them to vote. Granted, he probably should have FOX-proofed the interview by holding up an "Illegal Immigrants Can't Vote" sign or something, but the facts are still pretty clear - he's trying to convince Latino citizens to vote.RODRIGUEZ: This has been a huge fear presented especially during this election.
OBAMA: And the reason that fear is promoted is because they don't want people voting. People are discouraged from voting and part of what is important for Latino citizens is to make your voice heard, because you're not just speaking for yourself. You're speaking for family members, friends, classmates of yours in school...
RODRIGUEZ: Your entire community.
OBAMA: ... who may not have a voice. Who can't legally vote. But they're counting on you to make sure that you have the courage to make your voice heard.
She seems to be asking from the perspective of an illegal, who is fearful of voting, and is afraid for the rest of her illegal family.RODRIGUEZ: Many of the millennials, Dreamers, undocumented citizens -- and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country -- are fearful of voting. So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?
Yeah, it was a weird question. Obama fielded it like a politician and turned it into an opportunity to say what he wanted Latino voters to hear. Then Neil Cavuto took what Obama said and turned it into what he wanted FOX viewers to believe. Business as usual, and not worth a second glance.RickD wrote:I don't know Ed.
Reread the first quote from the interviewer:She seems to be asking from the perspective of an illegal, who is fearful of voting, and is afraid for the rest of her illegal family.RODRIGUEZ: Many of the millennials, Dreamers, undocumented citizens -- and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country -- are fearful of voting. So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?
What kind of question is that? Illegals fearful of voting?
They should be fearful! They can't legally vote!
At best, Obama should've asked for clarification.
You're pushing an overgeneralized, inaccurate, conservative talking point. How about some reality?RickD wrote:But with democrats famous for being easy on anyone who is illegal, so they can get their votes, this is where it leads.
Yes, you can't spin Obama's response! He was playing to the perspective of those for whom the question was asked. If he had a legal, constitutional view of the matter, automatically he would have asserted that they could not vote - even if he had categorized that as "currently true but unfortunate - and I'd like to see that changed." And what really bothers me about this is that there are so many people who don't understand the ramifications for allowing illegals rights that only Americans here legally should have. People don't appear to understand the dangers involved - nor the financial disaster, etc. We are either a nation of laws or we are not. We can't just be a nation for which the law becomes a joke - which is what we see happening more and more at the federal level.She seems to be asking from the perspective of an illegal, who is fearful of voting, and is afraid for the rest of her illegal family.
What kind of question is that? Illegals fearful of voting?
They should be fearful! They can't legally vote!
At best, Obama should've asked for clarification.
But with democrats famous for being easy on anyone who is illegal, so they can get their votes, this is where it leads.
Wow! This kind of stuff shows that people have not actually listened to Trump because he has made it clear from day one and has not wavered one-bit,he has always been for LEGAL immigration. The wall is not to stop all immigration at all,it is to prevent unlawful entry,plus drugs coming across the border,criminals,gang members and Islamic terrorists. He has always made it clear he will put forth a plan so that immigrants can come in legally. People do not actually listen to Trump though,instead they parrot what they hear that is'nt true.edwardmurphy wrote:Yeah, it was a weird question. Obama fielded it like a politician and turned it into an opportunity to say what he wanted Latino voters to hear. Then Neil Cavuto took what Obama said and turned it into what he wanted FOX viewers to believe. Business as usual, and not worth a second glance.RickD wrote:I don't know Ed.
Reread the first quote from the interviewer:She seems to be asking from the perspective of an illegal, who is fearful of voting, and is afraid for the rest of her illegal family.RODRIGUEZ: Many of the millennials, Dreamers, undocumented citizens -- and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country -- are fearful of voting. So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?
What kind of question is that? Illegals fearful of voting?
They should be fearful! They can't legally vote!
At best, Obama should've asked for clarification.
You're pushing an overgeneralized, inaccurate, conservative talking point. How about some reality?RickD wrote:But with democrats famous for being easy on anyone who is illegal, so they can get their votes, this is where it leads.
Obama favors a path to citizenship, but Latinos call him the Deporter-in-Chief (with good reason). Reagan signed the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986, which gave amnesty to three million illegal immigrants. George W. Bush proposed giving temporary legal status for at least 6 years to 8 million undocumented immigrants, provided they kept their jobs. He also snagged 40% of the Latino vote and won. Bill Clinton favored bilingual education, but pushed for hiring more border patrol agents and imposing tougher penalties for illegal entry, hiring illegal workers, and failure to depart. Hillary Clinton supports a path to citizenship. Donald Trump's position changes with the weather, but tends to be strongly nativist.
In short, the facts don't bear out current conservative talking points on immigration.