Evidence for God from Science

It's one thing to let it happen in society, but since June 2015 everyone almost seems to support it and even fellow Christians will chew you out if u disagree with it, yet tell them u dont hate LGBT people. Extreme support is all over the place, but I guess that is due to things like gay conversion therapy which doesn't work.
Interesting how there's been cases of people changing after coming to Christ, even though some don't seem to and the media (understandably since it's secular) doesn't want to accept it.
I dont want people thinking im stirring up hate, i have relatives that are gay and biseuxal and i dont hate them.

New Zealand has changed alot since I was a kid....

I was looking up Chuches here in napier and there is a little one in town...a trinity church which is Methodist. They have a website saying they do same sex wedding civil union ceremonies. Gay people can do that now legally. You can be a prositute as well. New Zealands reeeeeeeaallly fun but you cant smack your kid.. go figure

I think certain churches feel pressured into conforming. And bills that past just make it harder not to give in. Tho no excuse.

In short, YES.

I'm numb to it. After 10 years I just don't care anymore.

Nope, not at all. All that's happening is that a group that has faced actual persecution and discrimination is getting the same rights that the heterosexual community has always taken for granted.

Normalization of LGBTQ is being forced upon us, at least in the US.

Nessa: I was looking up Chuches here in napier and there is a little one in town...a trinity church which is Methodist. They have a website saying they do same sex wedding civil union ceremonies. Gay people can do that now legally. You can be a prositute as well. New Zealands reeeeeeeaallly fun but you cant smack your kid.. go figure

I think certain churches feel pressured into conforming. And bills that past just make it harder not to give in. Tho no excuse.

Every church I see that goes down this PC / societal path as to what it considers right, has very little regard for the Bible. Oh, they'll cherrypick some feel-good passages, but as for the things God warns about - like embracing sins AS IF God is perfectly fine with it - they just ignore it, or don't believe such passages of warning are God-given. It's a pointless doctrine of serving the self first, while merely winking at the importance of God's directives.

RickD wrote:Normalization of LGBTQ is being forced upon us, at least in the US.

Yep, regardless of the science
Of course, in the end, they succeed in only damaging themselves.

The normalization of homosexuality is part of a sea change that's been taking place in our country. I understand that social conservatives feel like it's being forced on them by a minority, but that's not reality. The reality is that most Americans have changed their position on homosexuality to one of general acceptance. The Supreme Court recognized as much when they struck down laws banning gay marriage.

Granting equal rights and legal protection to groups that have been denied them is part of our American heritage. The Founders stated that all men, by which they meant all white, male landholders, were created equal. That was radical because it was a rejection of the Divine right of Kings and the hereditary aristocracy. As time passed that definition was broadened to include landless white men, women, and people of color. Each time the change was spearheaded by radicals and opposed by social conservatives. Now it's being broadened further to include homosexuals. In all of the aforementioned instances social conservatives lost, but the nation survived. It will be the same this time.

Personally, I call it progress.

The normalization of homosexuality

Yep, right there.

edwardmurphy wrote:The normalization of homosexuality is part of a sea change that's been taking place in our country. I understand that social conservatives feel like it's being forced on them by a minority, but that's not reality. The reality is that most Americans have changed their position on homosexuality to one of general acceptance. The Supreme Court recognized as much when they struck down laws banning gay marriage.

Granting equal rights and legal protection to groups that have been denied them is part of our American heritage. The Founders stated that all men, by which they meant all white, male landholders, were created equal. That was radical because it was a rejection of the Divine right of Kings and the hereditary aristocracy. As time passed that definition was broadened to include landless white men, women, and people of color. Each time the change was spearheaded by radicals and opposed by social conservatives. Now it's being broadened further to include homosexuals. In all of the aforementioned instances social conservatives lost, but the nation survived. It will be the same this time.

Personally, I call it progress.

Of course it is progress. And the trend will continue, it is already happening. Rights for polygamy, incestual unions, gender neutrality, and so on ... At what point do we say this so-called progress is impeding on society and destroying the very fabric of the natural law in which it was made? Progress? Of course. Good progress? I'm not so sure.

Byblos wrote: Of course it is progress. And the trend will continue, it is already happening. Rights for polygamy, incestual unions, gender neutrality, and so on ... At what point do we say this so-called progress is impeding on society and destroying the very fabric of the natural law in which it was made? Progress? Of course. Good progress? I'm not so sure.

"Progress towards....why, progress, of course!"

Be careful what you wish for.

Nessa wrote:New Zealand has changed alot since I was a kid....

I was looking up Chuches here in napier and there is a little one in town...a trinity church which is Methodist. They have a website saying they do same sex wedding civil union ceremonies. Gay people can do that now legally. You can be a prositute as well. New Zealands reeeeeeeaallly fun but you cant smack your kid.. go figure

I think certain churches feel pressured into conforming. And bills that past just make it harder not to give in. Tho no excuse.

Prostitution? Makes sense seeing how western society (places where england took over, west europe, and most of north america) is having a hard time with marriage. It's actually easier to shack up with prostitutes than get married in many instances. I wonder when the US will legalize it...

This reminds me of some book but I can't think of it, progress, progress! Only that everything got worse.
Anyone remember a book like that?

edwardmurphy wrote:The normalization of homosexuality is part of a sea change that's been taking place in our country. I understand that social conservatives feel like it's being forced on them by a minority, but that's not reality. The reality is that most Americans have changed their position on homosexuality to one of general acceptance. The Supreme Court recognized as much when they struck down laws banning gay marriage.

Granting equal rights and legal protection to groups that have been denied them is part of our American heritage. The Founders stated that all men, by which they meant all white, male landholders, were created equal. That was radical because it was a rejection of the Divine right of Kings and the hereditary aristocracy. As time passed that definition was broadened to include landless white men, women, and people of color. Each time the change was spearheaded by radicals and opposed by social conservatives. Now it's being broadened further to include homosexuals. In all of the aforementioned instances social conservatives lost, but the nation survived. It will be the same this time.

Personally, I call it progress.

That's why I said it's one thing to legalize it. I figured this would pop up. But where does the line stop? Legalizing prostitution, pedophilia, bestiality, where does it end?