Roots of Progressive Liberal ie Marxist thought
Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:37 am
In the historical account Josephus writes in his Antiquities of the Jews how tyranny began and why.
I find the correlation to the thought life of the modern day leftist progressives to the historical root of Nimrod interesting...
Here is the quote from:
Does this sound familiar to anyone? What is the crux of atheist and leftist argument against the God of the bible?
Do we hear those same arguments on this forum?
Next points to ponder:
How do leftist folks ascribe that the God of the bible is not real and only that only we can make ourselves happy? How does moral relativism form in the equation to be happy?
Do you see problems with this? How devise folks can game and lead a person to feel good about living in ruin?
He (Nimrod) gradually changed the government into tyranny, seeing no other way of turning men from the fear of God, but to bring them into a constant dependence on his power.
How does the left use this slow gradual method to produce governmental tyranny and does this produce dependence upon such Governmental power to rely on at all cost? Promise of welfare state, pitting folks and races against each other, is that good? Do you really want to live under such a system?
How do such folks brainwash that it is an act/piece of cowardice to submit to God?
Are they doing so to Christian people today? How so?
Yes the roots of Leftist dogma goes way back to the first central planner, first world governmental leader, and uses the very strategies Nimrod employed.
Nothing new under the sun...
Happy Fourth of July may we never have central planners and Government - it never bods well...
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I find the correlation to the thought life of the modern day leftist progressives to the historical root of Nimrod interesting...
Here is the quote from:
Points to take note of:Josephus Antiquities of the Jews
CHAPTER 4
CONCERNING THE TOWER OF BABYLON, AND THE CONFUSION OF TONGUES.
1. Now the sons of Noah were three, - Shem, Japhet, and Ham, born one hundred years before the Deluge. These first of all descended from the mountains into the plains, and fixed their habitation there; and persuaded others who were greatly afraid of the lower grounds on account of the flood, and so were very loath to come down from the higher places, to venture to follow their examples. Now the plain in which they first dwelt was called Shinar. God also commanded them to send colonies abroad, for the thorough peopling of the earth, that they might not raise seditions among themselves, but might cultivate a great part of the earth, and enjoy its fruits after a plentiful manner.
But they were so ill instructed that they did not obey God; for which reason they fell into calamities, and were made sensible, by experience, of what sin they had been guilty: for when they flourished with a numerous youth, God admonished them again to send out colonies; but they, imagining the prosperity they enjoyed was not derived from the favor of God, but supposing that their own power was the proper cause of the plentiful condition they were in, did not obey him. Nay, they added to this their disobedience to the Divine will, the suspicion that they were therefore ordered to send out separate colonies, that, being divided asunder, they might the more easily be Oppressed.
2. Now it was Nimrod who excited them to such an affront and contempt of God. He was the grandson of Ham, the son of Noah, a bold man, and of great strength of hand. He persuaded them not to ascribe it to God, as if it was through his means they were happy, but to believe that it was their own courage which procured that happiness.
He also gradually changed the government into tyranny, seeing no other way of turning men from the fear of God, but to bring them into a constant dependence on his power. He also said he would be revenged on God, if he should have a mind to drown the world again; for that he would build a tower too high for the waters to be able to reach! and that he would avenge himself on God for destroying their forefathers!
3. Now the multitude were very ready to follow the determination of Nimrod, and to esteem it a piece of cowardice to submit to God; and they built a tower, neither sparing any pains, nor being in any degree negligent about the work: and, by reason of the multitude of hands employed in it, it grew very high, sooner than any one could expect; but the thickness of it was so great, and it was so strongly built, that thereby its great height seemed, upon the view, to be less than it really was.
It was built of burnt brick, cemented together with mortar, made of bitumen, that it might not be liable to admit water. When God saw that they acted so madly, he did not resolve to destroy them utterly, since they were not grown wiser by the destruction of the former sinners; but he caused a tumult among them, by producing in them divers languages, and causing that, through the multitude of those languages, they should not be able to understand one another.
The place wherein they built the tower is now called Babylon, because of the confusion of that language which they readily understood before; for the Hebrews mean by the word Babel, confusion.
The Sibyl also makes mention of this tower, and of the confusion of the language, when she says thus: "When all men were of one language, some of them built a high tower, as if they would thereby ascend up to heaven, but the gods sent storms of wind and overthrew the tower, and gave every one his peculiar language; and for this reason it was that the city was called Babylon." But as to the plan of Shinar, in the country of Babylonia, Hestiaeus mentions it, when he says thus: "Such of the priests as were saved, took the sacred vessels of Jupiter Enyalius, and came to Shinar of Babylonia.
This is interesting due to the fact that folks living in urban areas do indeed raise sedition amongst each other. Crime increases, bitterness wells up, envy does too, people form groups to take others possessions, etc. from the text we see that God wanted all to enjoy His bounty responsibly but if folks group together in tightly packed areas certain things happen that even modern day experiments have show with lab rats such as deviant behavior increases, murder rates increases, isolation and violent personalities increase. God desire people to be one voice, on accord with his will but people do not want this and view God's ways oppressive.1. ... God also commanded them to send colonies abroad, for the thorough peopling of the earth, that they might not raise seditions among themselves, but might cultivate a great part of the earth, and enjoy its fruits after a plentiful manner.
By doing it their own ways they fell into calamities and some learned from this but most did not. Those that did not imagined that they were their own purveyors and creators of prosperity and that God has nothing to do with this. Thus, they had no reason to obey God out of suspicion that His ways would make them more easily be oppressed (by doing things God's ways).1. But they were so ill instructed that they did not obey God; for which reason they fell into calamities, and were made sensible, by experience, of what sin they had been guilty: for when they flourished with a numerous youth, God admonished them again to send out colonies; but they, imagining the prosperity they enjoyed was not derived from the favor of God, but supposing that their own power was the proper cause of the plentiful condition they were in, did not obey him. Nay, they added to this their disobedience to the Divine will, the suspicion that they were therefore ordered to send out separate colonies, that, being divided asunder, they might the more easily be Oppressed.
Does this sound familiar to anyone? What is the crux of atheist and leftist argument against the God of the bible?
Do we hear those same arguments on this forum?
Next points to ponder:
How do leaders and education systems excite folks to have contempt for God of the bible?2. Now it was Nimrod who excited them to such an affront and contempt of God....He persuaded them not to ascribe it to God, as if it was through his means they were happy, but to believe that it was their own courage which procured that happiness.
He also gradually changed the government into tyranny, seeing no other way of turning men from the fear of God, but to bring them into a constant dependence on his power. He also said he would be revenged on God, if he should have a mind to drown the world again; for that he would build a tower too high for the waters to be able to reach! and that he would avenge himself on God for destroying their forefathers !
How do leftist folks ascribe that the God of the bible is not real and only that only we can make ourselves happy? How does moral relativism form in the equation to be happy?
Do you see problems with this? How devise folks can game and lead a person to feel good about living in ruin?
He (Nimrod) gradually changed the government into tyranny, seeing no other way of turning men from the fear of God, but to bring them into a constant dependence on his power.
How does the left use this slow gradual method to produce governmental tyranny and does this produce dependence upon such Governmental power to rely on at all cost? Promise of welfare state, pitting folks and races against each other, is that good? Do you really want to live under such a system?
Through gradual progressive means Nimrod readied the people for Him to rule all, a tyranny of Government under his control, and amazingly they followed his line of thinking.3. Now the multitude were very ready to follow the determination of Nimrod, and to esteem it a piece of cowardice to submit to God; and they built a tower, neither sparing any pains, nor being in any degree negligent about the work: and, by reason of the multitude of hands employed in it, it grew very high, sooner than any one could expect; but the thickness of it was so great, and it was so strongly built, that thereby its great height seemed, upon the view, to be less than it really was.
How do such folks brainwash that it is an act/piece of cowardice to submit to God?
Are they doing so to Christian people today? How so?
Yes the roots of Leftist dogma goes way back to the first central planner, first world governmental leader, and uses the very strategies Nimrod employed.
Nothing new under the sun...
Happy Fourth of July may we never have central planners and Government - it never bods well...
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