thatkidakayoungguy wrote:I don't want to fling mud or at least I shouldn't want to, but some of their theology is questionable. I get their idea of eating right and health laws and restrictions like not wearing jewerly etc are meant for good intentions that one would want to do as a Christian, however it seems they border on legalism.
Then there is the coverup in the SDA church on where ppl expose Ellen White as being a false prophet and get kicked out.
They also say that having the sabbath on Sunday is wrong and will eventually become the mark of the beast. Paul says you can have the sabbath on any day. And yes, they claim that Paul meant the "several yearly sabbaths" during the time when Moses' law was in effect.
It's been quite some time since I've been on this forum...a few years maybe?
Anyway, let me address this as an Adventist myself.
1. It is true that Adventism tends to breed legalism. That's not necessarily the fault of the system itself unless you're willing to admit that God is a legalist...which I am willing to admit given the simple fact that unless a person is perfect, we cannot have everlasting life. It is only through Christ's perfection that we can be declared righteous.
The fault here is that PEOPLE misinterpret the intention of the Church...they believe keeping the Sabbath MUST be done and done in a certain manner. They fail to see how Christ, as recorded in scripture, kept the Sabbath and apply that to their own day and manner of keeping.
2. The health laws and dietary adherence; It's amazing to me how times have changed. When I was a kid, being vegetarian was thought of as weird. Now Veganism is quite acceptable and encouraged FOR health. Smoking has cut down considerably in western culture, though not gone and now being replaced with vaping. Something the Adventists have been promoting, I think, from Adventism's roots.
3. Jewelry; while it may be a practice followed by some Adventists today and maybe the preference for those that stand on the pulpits or lead, it is definitely NOT a taboo anymore. Maybe to our detriment...or maybe we've evolved to dwell less on the jewelry and more on God. I think the initial intentions of the 'rule' was for the betterment of each person's relationship with God. I don't find any ill will on the matter though.
4. I have never been to a SDA church that promotes EGW above the bible, though I can tell you there are Adventists that do. I have never read that EGW should be taken above scripture, but rather that EGW, like any other expositor of scripture does, did what she could/felt/believed to explain things as she understood. She herself NEVER felt the Church should put her words above scripture and was a topic of great discussion in a meeting called, "The Bible Conference of 1919" which I believe could be found and read which would be eye opening to many. In it, the leaders discuss her actual thoughts and I believe her husband was also present where these ideas were being discussed.
To most SDA's, we treat EGW as an author like any other that writes ABOUT scripture. We can read to find how she interpreted ideas. Sure, she got a few things wrong, she "plagiarized", but these things were brought up in that conference and her thoughts on this was conveyed. If it wasn't at that specific conference, I think it is discussed in a book by an Aussie, Graeme Bradford. I don't recall the name of the book off hand.
Certainly there are some SDA's that put EGW on a pedestal and that is unfortunate. They tend to make the most noise and we all know the saying about a squeaky wheel...
5. The Sabbath.
a. It's a day God/Jesus-instituted holy day made clear by His word. Therefore it can only be un-instituted by God made clearly by His word.
b. Jesus kept the Sabbath...and made no mention of "keeping" another or of abolishing the original commandment.
c. If the Commandments were abolished, then why is it Christians keep ANY of it
d. SDA's do not keep the Sabbath thinking that through it, salvation comes. We keep it because we believe it to be a perpetual command of God that we endeavor to keep for that reason. We love God and feebly attempt to do as He says as best a sinner can.
e. This booklet,
Rome's Challenge, definitely sheds light on the Sabbath issue. It's quite eye-opening and it only takes maybe a half hour of your time.
f. It is a legal document ( laws ) that if anything is added or removed, must be done in the same manner as it was given. Moses had no reason to believe a stone tablet simply fell from the sky and therefore by that knowledge assumed it to be from God. I think we all as Christians believe that Moses received those tablets of stone directly from God and he knew it...as the story goes anyway.
I know there's a lot of positions non-Adventists take for removal of
the Sabbath rest for
A sabbath rest...if you get what I mean from the of capitals.
No person is saved on the laws they keep or don't keep. We are saved on the merits of Jesus Christ and HE ALONE has done all that is necessary for our salvation. If that is the belief of Adventists, and I claim that most Adventists have this sort of belief, then it is quite possible these people that claim Adventism as their label within Christianity, are also among the saved. We "keep" laws and abide by the Spirit because we love God/Jesus, not because it is a requirement FOR salvation.
I'm open to attempt to answer any questions you all may have.
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I'm learning about the SDA !