Evidence for God from Science

We have a case here where a man says he is the second coming of Christ - just after running over and killing six people, injuring dozens more. He is diagnosed possibly as being schizo. Seems there may have been a fair bit of drug use involved as well.

I don't think anyone in his "right" mind would do such a thing. When is say "right" mind, I mean that which is close to our true (loving) nature.

I suspect that drug use opened up his psychological doorway to the other side and he got possessed. It's terrible stuff to go through and the horror it caused was far worse.

I think that some of the time it can be possession and some of the time not, it really depends on each individual case.

Take this case for example:




This man was literally insane, and was about to have lobotomy type surgery (this was still legal in the 1970's) that would leave him in a vegetable state.

Luckily a pastor came by and said a prayer to be healed in Jesus name (he was in restraints) and at that very moment he was healed of his insanity. The name of Jesus healed him instantly. But the story didn't end there - he was still scheduled for his lobotomy surgery the next day!! Watch the video, it's eye-opening.

Is diabetes a form of demon possession?

Is arthritis a form of demon possession?

Is influenza a form of demon possession?

Are migraines a form of demon possession?

ILLNESS is not possession. But the question is, when is it illness and when might it be possession.

Here's an interesting take on the differences: https://mentalillnesspolicy.org/coping/ ... lness.html

The other question is, can a person not be mentally ill - an illness of the mind. I can tell you with certainty that they can be. And this can often be controlled by medications - sometimes very well. Anyone knowing a bipolar person with raging mania, and seeing how they are brought back to normal thinking and behavior by the right meds realizes that mental illness is real and can be treated.

But I would think that there are similarities between the manifestations of some mentally ill persons and those possessed. Which is why Christian psychiatrists are consulted - a layperson may not know the difference.

As far as exorcism or removing demons, I was surprised to come across this article from Christianity Today - that doesn't typically publish whacked-out stuff: https://www.christianitytoday.com/pasto ... monic.html I'm a bit skeptical of some of the detail this person practices, because it seems unnecessary, per how Scripture describes such removal.

RickD wrote: ↑Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:31 am Is diabetes a form of demon possession?

Is arthritis a form of demon possession?

Is influenza a form of demon possession?

Are migraines a form of demon possession?

Is posting multiple questions on demon possession a form of demon possession ?

Is asking a poster a question on demon possession on his questions on demon possession a form of demon possession ?

sorry, couldn't resist.

Philip wrote: ↑Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:34 am ILLNESS is not possession. But the question is, when is it illness and when might it be possession.

Here's an interesting take on the differences: https://mentalillnesspolicy.org/coping/ ... lness.html
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As far as exorcism or removing demons, I was surprised to come across this article from Christianity Today - that doesn't typically publish whacked-out stuff: https://www.christianitytoday.com/pasto ... monic.html I'm a bit skeptical of some of the detail this person practices, because it seems unnecessary, per how Scripture describes such removal.

Thanks Phillip. I couldn't read the full article on the second link. Got the 'must login first' demon - annoying !

The apostles asked Jesus if a blind person was blind due to sin but Jesus said no. I don't think mental health is possession

Maybe Donald Trump can shed some light on this question.

Demonic possession CAN pass as Schizophrenia to the untrained ( in both).
The criteria for a demonic possession is such that anyone fulfilling it will HAVE A LOT more going on than "simple" Mental Health issues.

One test for the difference might be if medication controls it. My nephew has "schizo-affective" disorder. He has heard voices for many years. And they were always telling him what to do. He once told me he would argue with them - or rebel, by either doing the opposite of what they told him or just not going along. But now, after years of medication, he's not mentioned this phenomena. Gone or not, it certainly makes me wonder what the real issue is.

Philip wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:21 pm One test for the difference might be if medication controls it. My nephew has "schizo-affective" disorder. He has heard voices for many years. And they were always telling him what to do. He once told me he would argue with them - or rebel, by either doing the opposite of what they told him or just not going along. But now, after years of medication, he's not mentioned this phenomena. Gone or not, it certainly makes me wonder what the real issue is.

Maybe he took a Jesus pill.

"Maybe he took a Jesus pill."

His mother claims that.

Philip wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:21 pm One test for the difference might be if medication controls it. My nephew has "schizo-affective" disorder. He has heard voices for many years. And they were always telling him what to do. He once told me he would argue with them - or rebel, by either doing the opposite of what they told him or just not going along. But now, after years of medication, he's not mentioned this phenomena. Gone or not, it certainly makes me wonder what the real issue is.

So, here is the thing, with demonic possession, you don't hear voices - you hear A voice.
Also, there are physical signs that MUST be present ( ability to do things that can't be done, physical strength beyond the norm, etc)
When one sees the evidence for possession and experiences it, there is no real "gray area".

PaulSacramento wrote: ↑Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:53 am

Philip wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:21 pm One test for the difference might be if medication controls it. My nephew has "schizo-affective" disorder. He has heard voices for many years. And they were always telling him what to do. He once told me he would argue with them - or rebel, by either doing the opposite of what they told him or just not going along. But now, after years of medication, he's not mentioned this phenomena. Gone or not, it certainly makes me wonder what the real issue is.

So, here is the thing, with demonic possession, you don't hear voices - you hear A voice.
Also, there are physical signs that MUST be present ( ability to do things that can't be done, physical strength beyond the norm, etc)
When one sees the evidence for possession and experiences it, there is no real "gray area".

What if the person is possessed by more than one demon? Couldn't that mean more than one voice?

And what if the demons possessing the man are effeminate demons?
Don't effeminate demons have the strength of a wimpy woman?

RickD wrote: ↑Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:11 pm

PaulSacramento wrote: ↑Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:53 am

Philip wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:21 pm One test for the difference might be if medication controls it. My nephew has "schizo-affective" disorder. He has heard voices for many years. And they were always telling him what to do. He once told me he would argue with them - or rebel, by either doing the opposite of what they told him or just not going along. But now, after years of medication, he's not mentioned this phenomena. Gone or not, it certainly makes me wonder what the real issue is.

So, here is the thing, with demonic possession, you don't hear voices - you hear A voice.
Also, there are physical signs that MUST be present ( ability to do things that can't be done, physical strength beyond the norm, etc)
When one sees the evidence for possession and experiences it, there is no real "gray area".

What if the person is possessed by more than one demon? Couldn't that mean more than one voice?

And what if the demons possessing the man are effeminate demons?
Don't effeminate demons have the strength of a wimpy woman?

I don't know if you are serious...

PaulSacramento wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 5:51 am

RickD wrote: ↑Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:11 pm

PaulSacramento wrote: ↑Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:53 am

Philip wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:21 pm One test for the difference might be if medication controls it. My nephew has "schizo-affective" disorder. He has heard voices for many years. And they were always telling him what to do. He once told me he would argue with them - or rebel, by either doing the opposite of what they told him or just not going along. But now, after years of medication, he's not mentioned this phenomena. Gone or not, it certainly makes me wonder what the real issue is.

So, here is the thing, with demonic possession, you don't hear voices - you hear A voice.
Also, there are physical signs that MUST be present ( ability to do things that can't be done, physical strength beyond the norm, etc)
When one sees the evidence for possession and experiences it, there is no real "gray area".

What if the person is possessed by more than one demon? Couldn't that mean more than one voice?

And what if the demons possessing the man are effeminate demons?
Don't effeminate demons have the strength of a wimpy woman?

I don't know if you are serious...