Evidence for God from Science

abelcainsbrother wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:32 pm 1.You must be born again to become a Christian.You cannot save yourself nor act like a Christian and truly be one.
John 3:3

Many think that Christianity is just another religion,amongst a long list of other religions and they are all kinda the same they just believe in different gods and Jesus is just another kind of god people believe in.This is not true though as you can simply join a church of any other religion I'm aware of,learn the laws and rules you must live by the rest of your life,learn the religious rituals you must perform,etc and change yourself to become one. You cannot do this in Chistianity.Why would you choose some other god over Jesus? The choice is obvious from a religion view point.

2.Jesus paid for your salvation in full.

God has already did everything for you in his salvation plan for you to be saved.There is nothing you can do to add to it.All you have to do is have faith and believe in Jesus for your salvation and be saved.This is how you recieve the gift of salvation and it is not much effort on your part at all because Jesus really already did everything for you.It is really too easy for people to accept,but it is true nonetheless.
Romans 5:16-21

3.You don't really decide when it is time to be saved,God decides,when it is time.Unless the Holy Spirit is drawing you to Christ you cannot be saved.If you have not ever experienced this then I suggest you try churches,etc until it happens,because until it does,you cannot be saved,no matter how hard you pray.

It is not about you,but about God's plan for your salvation and how everything has already been done for you to be saved.You cannot necessarily wait until you're on your death bed to be saved,because the Holy Spirit may not draw you then,which means you cannot be saved.I mean it is not impossible that a peron could be saved whe they are on their death bed,but the Holy Sprit must draw you,another way of saying this is the Holy Spirit must convict you and draw you to Christ to be saved.
John 6:44

4. It is when you have been born again that you are changed into a Christian,and not until then,no matter how you might act like a Christian,etc or what you might do.

A person can put on an act like they are a Christian and not really be one.Only God truly knows who has been saved or not,which is why he is the judge and not us.The closest we can tell is by their fruit,but even then it is not a sure thing.It is important for you to know for yourself and not be putting on an act which is what being a hypocrite is really all about.A hypocrite is somebody putting on an act like they are a Christian when they really are not.It is not somebody who says one thing and does another,otherwise we'd all be hypocrites.


2nd Corinthians 5:17. Galatians 6:15

5.Out of all other gods out there only Jesus truly showed you love like no other god out there by actually fulfilling everything for you so that you could be saved.None of them did.From a religious point of view Jesus is the easy choice even if you don't know much about religion.If we just take each religion on face value,and honestly without any strawmen,there should be no reason why you would choose some other god over Jesus based on the love and sacrifice he showed you.

The other gods may talk a good game about love but when the rubber hits the road they never put it all on the line for you like Jesus did with his actions and not just words.

John 3:16 John 3:19 Hebrews 12:1-4

Abel: You cannot necessarily wait until you're on your death bed to be saved,because the Holy Spirit may not draw you then,which means you cannot be saved.

Abel: I mean it is not impossible that a peron could be saved whe they are on their death bed,but the Holy Sprit must draw you,another way of saying this is the Holy Spirit must convict you and draw you to Christ to be saved.

Philip wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:48 am

Abel: You cannot necessarily wait until you're on your death bed to be saved,because the Holy Spirit may not draw you then,which means you cannot be saved.

The ONLY thing that prevents ANYONE from being saved is their own closed heart and mind! Of course, thinking that one can decide tomorrow is foolish - as tomorrow may not arrive for a person.

Who, INCLUSIVELY, does God wish to save - has He withheld His drawing from some? 1 Timothy 2:3-4: This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires ALL people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Note that the drawing is only effective upon one whom desires what is being offered - it's NOT effective upon the one who has no interest in the enlightening, fellowship / relationship

Consider Revelation 3:20: Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If ANYONE hears my voice AND opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me.

Jesus calls ALL to Himself - but ALL will not open the door of their hard heart - they fail to listen to the voice and want nothing to do with the One (Christ) requesting entrance and fellowship / salvation!

Does God DESIRE some people not be saved? Ezekiel 33:11: Say to them, As I live, declares the Lord GOD, I have NO pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live

God has reached out to everyone - but His outreach and drawing are effective ONLY upon the one with a willing heart and mind to listen and respond to Him - those whom want what He's wants to provide them. They can also resist - and permanently so, if they so desire.

Has God hidden Himself from anyone who hasn't closed off their own hard heart and mind from Him?

Romans 1: For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, (and how long has He made ALL persons aware of His existence?) ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

Abel: I mean it is not impossible that a peron could be saved whe they are on their death bed,but the Holy Sprit must draw you,another way of saying this is the Holy Spirit must convict you and draw you to Christ to be saved.

NO - that suggests that God is withholding His offer or the ability for ALL to come to Himself - which is unScriptural. And that false belief is much like Five Point Calvinists' false teaching that God doesn't desire to save all - a direct contradiction of the very reason Jesus came to earth and 1 Timothy 2:3-4! Such people would insist that God wants to save, but He also ONLY wants others in Hell. Again, a direct contradiction of much Scripture. With the Five Point Calvinist belief, there is NO Christ waiting at the door, NO knocking, as He supposedly will either come through the door - or not - depending upon His desire for an individual. As well, the Calvinist believes there is NO ability to open any supposed door - with God instead suddenly "regenerating a person to belief and faith." Again, unScriptural and in denial of all of the encouragement of God in the Old Testament, and Jesus and the Disciples, to come to faith in God - "as if" ALL could (which Scripture shows they absolutely can - again, but only if THEY desire what God is offering them).

RickD wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 7:27 am

abelcainsbrother wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:32 pm 1.You must be born again to become a Christian.You cannot save yourself nor act like a Christian and truly be one.
John 3:3

Many think that Christianity is just another religion,amongst a long list of other religions and they are all kinda the same they just believe in different gods and Jesus is just another kind of god people believe in.This is not true though as you can simply join a church of any other religion I'm aware of,learn the laws and rules you must live by the rest of your life,learn the religious rituals you must perform,etc and change yourself to become one. You cannot do this in Chistianity.Why would you choose some other god over Jesus? The choice is obvious from a religion view point.

2.Jesus paid for your salvation in full.

God has already did everything for you in his salvation plan for you to be saved.There is nothing you can do to add to it.All you have to do is have faith and believe in Jesus for your salvation and be saved.This is how you recieve the gift of salvation and it is not much effort on your part at all because Jesus really already did everything for you.It is really too easy for people to accept,but it is true nonetheless.
Romans 5:16-21

3.You don't really decide when it is time to be saved,God decides,when it is time.Unless the Holy Spirit is drawing you to Christ you cannot be saved.If you have not ever experienced this then I suggest you try churches,etc until it happens,because until it does,you cannot be saved,no matter how hard you pray.

It is not about you,but about God's plan for your salvation and how everything has already been done for you to be saved.You cannot necessarily wait until you're on your death bed to be saved,because the Holy Spirit may not draw you then,which means you cannot be saved.I mean it is not impossible that a peron could be saved whe they are on their death bed,but the Holy Sprit must draw you,another way of saying this is the Holy Spirit must convict you and draw you to Christ to be saved.
John 6:44

4. It is when you have been born again that you are changed into a Christian,and not until then,no matter how you might act like a Christian,etc or what you might do.

A person can put on an act like they are a Christian and not really be one.Only God truly knows who has been saved or not,which is why he is the judge and not us.The closest we can tell is by their fruit,but even then it is not a sure thing.It is important for you to know for yourself and not be putting on an act which is what being a hypocrite is really all about.A hypocrite is somebody putting on an act like they are a Christian when they really are not.It is not somebody who says one thing and does another,otherwise we'd all be hypocrites.


2nd Corinthians 5:17. Galatians 6:15

5.Out of all other gods out there only Jesus truly showed you love like no other god out there by actually fulfilling everything for you so that you could be saved.None of them did.From a religious point of view Jesus is the easy choice even if you don't know much about religion.If we just take each religion on face value,and honestly without any strawmen,there should be no reason why you would choose some other god over Jesus based on the love and sacrifice he showed you.

The other gods may talk a good game about love but when the rubber hits the road they never put it all on the line for you like Jesus did with his actions and not just words.

John 3:16 John 3:19 Hebrews 12:1-4

According to your reasoning, specifically, how does someone become born again?

Please be specific.

abelcainsbrother wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 1:08 pm

RickD wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 7:27 am

abelcainsbrother wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:32 pm 1.You must be born again to become a Christian.You cannot save yourself nor act like a Christian and truly be one.
John 3:3

Many think that Christianity is just another religion,amongst a long list of other religions and they are all kinda the same they just believe in different gods and Jesus is just another kind of god people believe in.This is not true though as you can simply join a church of any other religion I'm aware of,learn the laws and rules you must live by the rest of your life,learn the religious rituals you must perform,etc and change yourself to become one. You cannot do this in Chistianity.Why would you choose some other god over Jesus? The choice is obvious from a religion view point.

2.Jesus paid for your salvation in full.

God has already did everything for you in his salvation plan for you to be saved.There is nothing you can do to add to it.All you have to do is have faith and believe in Jesus for your salvation and be saved.This is how you recieve the gift of salvation and it is not much effort on your part at all because Jesus really already did everything for you.It is really too easy for people to accept,but it is true nonetheless.
Romans 5:16-21

3.You don't really decide when it is time to be saved,God decides,when it is time.Unless the Holy Spirit is drawing you to Christ you cannot be saved.If you have not ever experienced this then I suggest you try churches,etc until it happens,because until it does,you cannot be saved,no matter how hard you pray.

It is not about you,but about God's plan for your salvation and how everything has already been done for you to be saved.You cannot necessarily wait until you're on your death bed to be saved,because the Holy Spirit may not draw you then,which means you cannot be saved.I mean it is not impossible that a peron could be saved whe they are on their death bed,but the Holy Sprit must draw you,another way of saying this is the Holy Spirit must convict you and draw you to Christ to be saved.
John 6:44

4. It is when you have been born again that you are changed into a Christian,and not until then,no matter how you might act like a Christian,etc or what you might do.

A person can put on an act like they are a Christian and not really be one.Only God truly knows who has been saved or not,which is why he is the judge and not us.The closest we can tell is by their fruit,but even then it is not a sure thing.It is important for you to know for yourself and not be putting on an act which is what being a hypocrite is really all about.A hypocrite is somebody putting on an act like they are a Christian when they really are not.It is not somebody who says one thing and does another,otherwise we'd all be hypocrites.


2nd Corinthians 5:17. Galatians 6:15

5.Out of all other gods out there only Jesus truly showed you love like no other god out there by actually fulfilling everything for you so that you could be saved.None of them did.From a religious point of view Jesus is the easy choice even if you don't know much about religion.If we just take each religion on face value,and honestly without any strawmen,there should be no reason why you would choose some other god over Jesus based on the love and sacrifice he showed you.

The other gods may talk a good game about love but when the rubber hits the road they never put it all on the line for you like Jesus did with his actions and not just words.

John 3:16 John 3:19 Hebrews 12:1-4

According to your reasoning, specifically, how does someone become born again?

Please be specific.

I don't want to give you my reasoning on this as I only want the truth of God's word to shine through when it comes to salvation.I think there is a lack of undestanding out there about salvation that many miss.I'm just trying to clarify things for people according to God's word about salation,because I want people to be saved so I'm trying to clear up any misunderstandings out there about it. Being born again is about a spiritual birth on the inside of the person. As we are all born physically but must be born Spiritually also in order to see the kingdom of God.We are blind spiritually until this happens and cannot see,but are blind.According to scripture it surpasses all understanding yet is experienced by those who are saved. So it can be hard reasoning about it.

RickD wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 1:20 pm

abelcainsbrother wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 1:08 pm

RickD wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 7:27 am

abelcainsbrother wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:32 pm 1.You must be born again to become a Christian.You cannot save yourself nor act like a Christian and truly be one.
John 3:3

Many think that Christianity is just another religion,amongst a long list of other religions and they are all kinda the same they just believe in different gods and Jesus is just another kind of god people believe in.This is not true though as you can simply join a church of any other religion I'm aware of,learn the laws and rules you must live by the rest of your life,learn the religious rituals you must perform,etc and change yourself to become one. You cannot do this in Chistianity.Why would you choose some other god over Jesus? The choice is obvious from a religion view point.

2.Jesus paid for your salvation in full.

God has already did everything for you in his salvation plan for you to be saved.There is nothing you can do to add to it.All you have to do is have faith and believe in Jesus for your salvation and be saved.This is how you recieve the gift of salvation and it is not much effort on your part at all because Jesus really already did everything for you.It is really too easy for people to accept,but it is true nonetheless.
Romans 5:16-21

3.You don't really decide when it is time to be saved,God decides,when it is time.Unless the Holy Spirit is drawing you to Christ you cannot be saved.If you have not ever experienced this then I suggest you try churches,etc until it happens,because until it does,you cannot be saved,no matter how hard you pray.

It is not about you,but about God's plan for your salvation and how everything has already been done for you to be saved.You cannot necessarily wait until you're on your death bed to be saved,because the Holy Spirit may not draw you then,which means you cannot be saved.I mean it is not impossible that a peron could be saved whe they are on their death bed,but the Holy Sprit must draw you,another way of saying this is the Holy Spirit must convict you and draw you to Christ to be saved.
John 6:44

4. It is when you have been born again that you are changed into a Christian,and not until then,no matter how you might act like a Christian,etc or what you might do.

A person can put on an act like they are a Christian and not really be one.Only God truly knows who has been saved or not,which is why he is the judge and not us.The closest we can tell is by their fruit,but even then it is not a sure thing.It is important for you to know for yourself and not be putting on an act which is what being a hypocrite is really all about.A hypocrite is somebody putting on an act like they are a Christian when they really are not.It is not somebody who says one thing and does another,otherwise we'd all be hypocrites.


2nd Corinthians 5:17. Galatians 6:15

5.Out of all other gods out there only Jesus truly showed you love like no other god out there by actually fulfilling everything for you so that you could be saved.None of them did.From a religious point of view Jesus is the easy choice even if you don't know much about religion.If we just take each religion on face value,and honestly without any strawmen,there should be no reason why you would choose some other god over Jesus based on the love and sacrifice he showed you.

The other gods may talk a good game about love but when the rubber hits the road they never put it all on the line for you like Jesus did with his actions and not just words.

John 3:16 John 3:19 Hebrews 12:1-4

According to your reasoning, specifically, how does someone become born again?

Please be specific.

I don't want to give you my reasoning on this as I only want the truth of God's word to shine through when it comes to salvation.I think there is a lack of undestanding out there about salvation that many miss.I'm just trying to clarify things for people according to God's word about salation,because I want people to be saved so I'm trying to clear up any misunderstandings out there about it. Being born again is about a spiritual birth on the inside of the person. As we are all born physically but must be born Spiritually also in order to see the kingdom of God.We are blind spiritually until this happens and cannot see,but are blind.According to scripture it surpasses all understanding yet is experienced by those who are saved. So it can be hard reasoning about it.

So, when you have a discussion with someone, and tell them that the must be born again, when they ask, "What must I do to be born again?"

What do you tell them?

Abel: It can only happen when the Holy Spirit is drawing them to Christ.

Abel: It is not about what we do but what has already been done for us to be saved.

ACB wrote:
I explain to them that they need to be saved by Jesus and they will be born again when they get saved.I explain it is a miracle God does on the inside of the person that transforms them into a Christian.I might give them my testimony too and try to explain how it changed me and I had been raised in Sunday School and knew about salvation,yet it was not until I actually experienced it that I was changed and thought totally different than I did before,it was like I was a different person on the inside,yet I looked the same on the outside.On the inside I was totally different and felt good all over.

RickD wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 7:44 pm ...
But how does Jesus save someone?

Does Jesus just decide who he wants to save, and whether or not that person wants to be saved, Jesus saves him?

Or does it take something on our end, through which God's saving grace is realized?

PaulSacramento wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:09 am Salvation from what?

DBowling wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:45 am

PaulSacramento wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:09 am Salvation from what?

Since it's one month until Christmas...
Matthew 1:21
She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.”