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The pope is the false prophet so no surprises there.Howwow1993 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 3:46 am I am genuinely interested in hearing about what Christians think about homosexuality, now that the pope teaches people to be accepting individuals who are homosexual or bisexual.
How your belief been changed since then?
Are you assuming that this has changed people's beliefs?
I take it absolutely calmly. I have no right to condemn anyone for their preferences. As they say, do not judge and you will not be judged. I succumb to prejudice. As long as no one imposes their views on me, I am calm about these very views.Howwow1993 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 3:46 am I am genuinely interested in hearing about what Christians think about homosexuality, now that the pope teaches people to be accepting individuals who are homosexual or bisexual.
How your belief been changed since then?
Preferences? Well not if we are talking vanilla over chocolate...Challenger007 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 12:09 amI take it absolutely calmly. I have no right to condemn anyone for their preferences. As they say, do not judge and you will not be judged. I succumb to prejudice. As long as no one imposes their views on me, I am calm about these very views.Howwow1993 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 3:46 am I am genuinely interested in hearing about what Christians think about homosexuality, now that the pope teaches people to be accepting individuals who are homosexual or bisexual.
How your belief been changed since then?
Jesus has two different messages to two different audiences.3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4 and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” 6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.
But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
11 “No one, sir,” she said.
“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”
Who are the sexually immoral? Rapists and pedophiles? They are also subject to criminal liability. Homosexuality or bisexuality is not immoral behavior, it is a feature of a person, like character, temperament, etc. Perhaps the religious fanatics stuck in the Middle Ages will also understand this.Nessa wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 12:07 pmPreferences? Well not if we are talking vanilla over chocolate...Challenger007 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 12:09 amI take it absolutely calmly. I have no right to condemn anyone for their preferences. As they say, do not judge and you will not be judged. I succumb to prejudice. As long as no one imposes their views on me, I am calm about these very views.Howwow1993 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 3:46 am I am genuinely interested in hearing about what Christians think about homosexuality, now that the pope teaches people to be accepting individuals who are homosexual or bisexual.
How your belief been changed since then?
But we are called to judge those within the church e.g Paul said a lot about the sexually immoral who were unrepentant.
Are you homosexual or just progressive?Challenger007 wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:41 pmWho are the sexually immoral? Rapists and pedophiles? They are also subject to criminal liability. Homosexuality or bisexuality is not immoral behavior, it is a feature of a person, like character, temperament, etc. Perhaps the religious fanatics stuck in the Middle Ages will also understand this.Nessa wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 12:07 pmPreferences? Well not if we are talking vanilla over chocolate...Challenger007 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 12:09 amI take it absolutely calmly. I have no right to condemn anyone for their preferences. As they say, do not judge and you will not be judged. I succumb to prejudice. As long as no one imposes their views on me, I am calm about these very views.Howwow1993 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 3:46 am I am genuinely interested in hearing about what Christians think about homosexuality, now that the pope teaches people to be accepting individuals who are homosexual or bisexual.
How your belief been changed since then?
But we are called to judge those within the church e.g Paul said a lot about the sexually immoral who were unrepentant.
That is not at all what Jesus taught.Challenger007 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 12:09 amI take it absolutely calmly. I have no right to condemn anyone for their preferences. As they say, do not judge and you will not be judged. I succumb to prejudice. As long as no one imposes their views on me, I am calm about these very views.Howwow1993 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 3:46 am I am genuinely interested in hearing about what Christians think about homosexuality, now that the pope teaches people to be accepting individuals who are homosexual or bisexual.
How your belief been changed since then?
As for me, this is all manipulation of the church. The church has always denied what it cannot understand. You are referring to the teachings of Christ, but are you sure that his speeches were not edited by anyone to please church politics? Many centuries have passed.Stu wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 3:23 amThat is not at all what Jesus taught.Challenger007 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 12:09 amI take it absolutely calmly. I have no right to condemn anyone for their preferences. As they say, do not judge and you will not be judged. I succumb to prejudice. As long as no one imposes their views on me, I am calm about these very views.Howwow1993 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 3:46 am I am genuinely interested in hearing about what Christians think about homosexuality, now that the pope teaches people to be accepting individuals who are homosexual or bisexual.
How your belief been changed since then?
Adulterers, drunkards and yes homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God. It's that simple. Do not preach luke warm liberal man-made Christianity, you have to tell it like it is. Hell is a real place and Jesus mentioned it the most in the Bible. Jesus was a fire and brimstone teacher as were the apostles, they pulled no punches because the resting place of your eternal soul was on the line.
Thank you for the context that was missing from the original post. I see nothing unbiblical about what you claim that the pope said here.Fliegender wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:16 am I looked up what the pope had to say about homosexuals and there’s a lot on the internet and on YouTube. Here is my translation of the pope’s actual words:
Homosexuals have a right to be in our family. They are children of God, they have a right to their own family. We can’t expel someone from a family or make their life miserable because of this [homosexuality]. What we must do is to have a law on civil unions. They have a right to be legally protected.
While there’s some ambiguity in the pope’s statement, at no time does he say they should be married in the Roman Catholic Church. He was speaking about lay civil unions*. At some point when the present pope was Monseigneur of Buenos Aires, he did say that homosexuals should be blessed but apparently didn’t imply their unions should be blessed. When the Argentine government indicated it would allow homosexual marriage in 2002, the Monseigneur objected. By 2010 when the Argentine government passed a law allowing civil unions between homosexuals, the Monseigneur had a change of heart and approved of the law.
A civil union is essentially a legal marriage but not in a house of worship.
*no pun intended