For the truth seeker.
Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 7:42 am
G'Day August
You mentioned in Preists and Preachers entering islam thread…
Firstly, know that as a muslim I will not accept fairytales spread by crusader sources. They are not acceptable as sources of truth. If you can prove to me that crusaders are capable of truth then show me that America are not liars. If you have evidence to show that they told the truth about Iraq and Afghanistan post it up. Otherwise until I hear it from those who “fear God” I'll not accept what you have claimed.
August, if the entire world apostated from Islam it doesn't mean it's wrong. And as a Christian if all the world said 'to hell with religion' it doesn't mean God and his law etc is cancelled. Everyone has a free will. It's their call.
Throughout history the right and the good has always been the lesser group. Nuh (Noah) (peace be upon him) had an uphill battle for hundreds of years and only a handful believed him. Didn't mean he was wrong.
Size doesn't matter. Might doesn't matter. Just firm trust in Allah (may He be glorified and exalted) though Christians used to call Him 'The Father' but now believe that Jesus is God without any support from their book.
Look at the history of the prophets. They were hated and cursed because they brought and represented truth. The jews have villified them in your bible because of their hatred for God's truth. This theme is common throughout history. Not many followed and obeyed. Doesn't mean its wrong.
Comment: Muhammad, you are continuously using circular reasoning, you keep on using the Quran to justify the Quran, without having established that it is an authentic document from secular sources. Until you can show that, all quotes from the Quran does not really mean anything.
If I filled this whole forum with proof you or anyone else wouldn't accept it if you have your heart and mind blocked. If it was anything other than the possiblility it was God's word you would make effort to gain something from it.
But the potential of discovering truth and the implications that implies forces our egos to shy away in disobedience. If the subject matter were anything else than a prolonged promise of hellfire and damnation and what's required to avoid the inevitable you would pick up 'the literature' and come to your own conclusion.
Instead you cast nastertiums from a position of no knowledge hoping the stones you throw will shatter the boogy-man. Why don't you listen to what Jesus told you. When you need help, go into your private room and pray to God (the Father) and no one else. And if you are sincere He will guide you. Seek and you will find — knock and the door will be opened. So instead of pushing knowledge away as the church is famous for, pick up the Quran and ask God in all sincerity to open your heart if it be truth or close your heart to Allah if what you read is falsehood. If you truly want to seek truth.
You mentioned in Preists and Preachers entering islam thread…
Comment One: All of this is anecdotal evidence at best, and has no bearing on anything. Since the fall of the Taliban in Afghanistan, more than a million people have converted to Christianity.All of this is anecdotal evidence at best, and has no bearing on anything. Since the fall of the Taliban in Afghanistan, more than a million people have converted to Christianity.
Muhammad, you are continuously using circular reasoning, you keep on using the Quran to justify the Quran, without having established that it is an authentic document from secular sources. Until you can show that, all quotes from the Quran does not really mean anything.
Firstly, know that as a muslim I will not accept fairytales spread by crusader sources. They are not acceptable as sources of truth. If you can prove to me that crusaders are capable of truth then show me that America are not liars. If you have evidence to show that they told the truth about Iraq and Afghanistan post it up. Otherwise until I hear it from those who “fear God” I'll not accept what you have claimed.
August, if the entire world apostated from Islam it doesn't mean it's wrong. And as a Christian if all the world said 'to hell with religion' it doesn't mean God and his law etc is cancelled. Everyone has a free will. It's their call.
Throughout history the right and the good has always been the lesser group. Nuh (Noah) (peace be upon him) had an uphill battle for hundreds of years and only a handful believed him. Didn't mean he was wrong.
Size doesn't matter. Might doesn't matter. Just firm trust in Allah (may He be glorified and exalted) though Christians used to call Him 'The Father' but now believe that Jesus is God without any support from their book.
Look at the history of the prophets. They were hated and cursed because they brought and represented truth. The jews have villified them in your bible because of their hatred for God's truth. This theme is common throughout history. Not many followed and obeyed. Doesn't mean its wrong.
Comment: Muhammad, you are continuously using circular reasoning, you keep on using the Quran to justify the Quran, without having established that it is an authentic document from secular sources. Until you can show that, all quotes from the Quran does not really mean anything.
If I filled this whole forum with proof you or anyone else wouldn't accept it if you have your heart and mind blocked. If it was anything other than the possiblility it was God's word you would make effort to gain something from it.
But the potential of discovering truth and the implications that implies forces our egos to shy away in disobedience. If the subject matter were anything else than a prolonged promise of hellfire and damnation and what's required to avoid the inevitable you would pick up 'the literature' and come to your own conclusion.
Instead you cast nastertiums from a position of no knowledge hoping the stones you throw will shatter the boogy-man. Why don't you listen to what Jesus told you. When you need help, go into your private room and pray to God (the Father) and no one else. And if you are sincere He will guide you. Seek and you will find — knock and the door will be opened. So instead of pushing knowledge away as the church is famous for, pick up the Quran and ask God in all sincerity to open your heart if it be truth or close your heart to Allah if what you read is falsehood. If you truly want to seek truth.
