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Defend Marriage - Canada

Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 8:05 am
by bizzt
I am big on Defending Marriage as an Institution between a Man and Woman. I believe Canada is in a Crisis and the Governement needs prayer to make the right decision on this
Round One in the Fight to Defend Marriage--
The Most Critical Rounds Yet to Come!


Dear Defender of Marriage:

The vote Tuesday on the Conservative Party's proposed amendment on the government's bill, C-38, which would legalize same sex marriage in Canada, was round one in the fight to defend the institution of marriage which is so critical to our future.

This amendment would have inserted the definition of traditional marriage into the bill thereby making it an affirmation of traditional marriage in Canada. It was defeated by a vote of 164 to 132.

Even though adoption of the amendment was considered highly unlikely, this was an important and encouraging vote in several respects. First, of course, is that a shift of only 17 votes would have meant a major victory for marriage. Given the context of the vote, picking up that much support is well within what is “doable” on third reading, when the bill would be sent on to the Senate, if not on the second reading vote next week.

One of the major advantages for us is that this is the first substantive vote on defending marriage in this Parliament. We now know with some certainty where many MPs stand on the marriage issue. This means that we know who needs additional contact from their constituents to convince them to continue to oppose the government's bill or come on side, as the case may be.

On the other hand, it is essential to keep in mind that those who seek to destroy marriage also now have this same information. Some MPs who our opponents think they can convert will be under even more intense pressure than they have been up to now. This is why it is essential that those who voted for the amendment also hear expressions of appreciation and support from their constituents.

In putting this vote in context, it also is important to understand that while some three dozen Liberals and a handful of Bloc members voted for the Conservative amendment, this was an amendment offered by the opposition. That creates a somewhat different dynamic than would a vote purely on the substance of a bill. Whether to buck one's party on the vote and support an opposition amendment was certainly a factor for some MPs who support traditional marriage. I am confident that on the final vote, at least some additional MPs who are opposed to the government's bill—or are close to being convinced to oppose it--will ultimately vote with us.

How many are in that category? Will it be enough to win? While no one can know for sure, one thing that is certain is that this number depends largely on people like you and tens of thousands of other Canadians. If enough constituents of these “swing vote” MPs let them know clearly and emphatically enough and in large enough numbers that they want them to defend marriage, we can find the 17 or so votes to defeat this bill.

One additional factor in analyzing this vote is the increasing likelihood that the government will fall as a result of the serious corruption being uncovered by the Gomery Commission. Both the Liberals and Conservatives now reportedly are preparing for an election that could be called this spring.

If it is called before the House of Commons finishes consideration of C-38, as appears increasingly likely, the bill will die. The marriage issue, however, will likely be a major election issue. One of the values of putting so many MPs on record on marriage in the vote on the Conservative's amendment is that their constituents will be able to consider their stand on marriage in deciding whether to vote them back into office.

Even if an election is not called before the third reading vote on C-38, the virtual certainty that an election is likely coming sooner rather than later should still have a sobering effect on at least some MPs. They know now that their vote on passage of C-38 would still be fresh in their constituent's minds when they stand for re-election. That should make some of them more persuadable on this issue.

Please take a minute and look at how your MP voted on this amendment. Then, contact them and either thank them for their support of marriage or urge them to defend marriage in Canada by voting against C-38 on second reading next week.

Also, please forward this newsletter on to as many others as you can to help spread the word.

Thank you for all that you are doing to defend marriage in Canada!

Sincerely,

Hon. Dr. Grant Hill, P.C.
Coordinator, Defend Marriage Canada Project

What does everyone think?

Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 8:36 am
by Felgar
Thanks for posting that. I didn't realize that they were actually voting on an amendment to C-38, I thought they were voting on the first reading of C-38.

It's encouraging that the government me be overturned before this comes to final vote, or possible overturned during the final vote. Only time will tell I guess.

One concern I have is how far the Conservatives will move to center in order to finally win. They've already given up on changes to abortion...

Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 8:43 am
by bizzt
I believe one step at a Time is the Best. I hope the Conservatives get into Government again. Australia defeated the bill to entitle homosexual marriage and I believe Canada has the same Values! Time will tell

Tim

Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 2:21 pm
by Mastermind
It won't hold for long. We elected a liberal government even though we knew about the scandal at the last election. At best, we will end up holding off the bill until after a conservative government's term is finished at which point people will forget why liberals suck and good bye marriage. However, this time, I'm old enough to vote, and will likely vote conservative. I'd vote NDP but then I realised they're just sissy commies, and that doesn't sit well with me.

Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 3:33 pm
by Felgar
Mastermind wrote:I'd vote NDP but then I realised they're just sissy commies, and that doesn't sit well with me.
The NDP's answer to everything is "let's lower taxes and spend more." Since we have no $100 Billion surplus, that means when they get in office it will be "you're getting taxed more because we're spending more." Plus they're even worse on social issues than the Liberals. In summary yeah, they're just sissy commies - so good call there, on no NDP.

The only option is the Conservatives, really. Hopefully the scandal is enough to get the Liberals out and the Conservatives in. And maybe in 5 years the social climate will have changed and we can address the marriage issue in some other manner.

Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 11:36 am
by AttentionKMartShoppers
Don't worry, gay marriages won't last for long...it's just one of the many steps on the way of abolishing the entire concept of marriage....not comforting, I know. Without God as a foundation, people think that everything should change, and if it doesn't, it inhibits man's evolution...one of the reasons evolution is so dangerous. If the humanist agenda is carried to its fullest...all hell will break loose....hold on to what you got up there, we've got the same trouble down here...though a few years behind you probably....and we're right behind you on socialism as well...we don't have state funded medical everything yet...but we're creaping in that direction....the world is a scary place.

Re: Defend Marriage - Canada

Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 7:26 pm
by ochotseat
bizzt wrote:I am big on Defending Marriage as an Institution between a Man and Woman. I believe Canada is in a Crisis and the Governement needs prayer to make the right decision on this

What does everyone think?
It's too late. Except Alberta, Canada has fully legalized same sex marriage in all its provinces. Canada is a rather liberal country, so most Canadians probably approve the new law. Thank God most Americans still oppose legalizing homosexual marriage.

Read my "homosexual marriage as of now" post.