XenonII wrote:Extremely vocal minority? Mainstream society isnt an extremely vocal minority...
Gay people and their supporters aren't mainstream society, though. Statistics show that over 55% of people in the US are opposed to gay marriage and homosexual practices -- not just fundamentalist Christians(whatever that means). Of the remaining 45%, many are undecided and fewer than 25% are actively in support of homosexuality. Also, people in hollywood tend to be far more liberal than "mainstream society" on most issues, so the presence of homosexuals in the media can hardly be considered an accurate representation of society's acceptance of homosexuality in general.
And i'd suggest reading what the APA has to say concerning this issue rather than resulting to blatant homophobic propoganda. Certainly a lot better than junk science and
http://www.apa.org/pubinfo/answers.html is a good place to start.
Yes, I'm aware of the current APA stance on homosexuality, and I'm also aware of how their change in stance came about due to pressure from such organizations as the ACLU(among others), and isn't grounded in any valid studies whatsoever.
Homosexuality does NOT harm society, but the effects of homophobia can be devistating!
That depends on what you mean by "homophobia." I find that most supporters of homosexuality have a very broad definition of this which means "any opposition to homosexuality whatsoever, for whatever reason." It's also a misnomer -- I don't fear homosexuals or homosexuality. I just don't support it or its adherents.
How arrogant of you to label all Christians as fundies or only people such as yourself as real Christians and being right and others wrong.
Did I at any point say that people who disagreed with me are not real Christians? No. While opposition to clear Biblical principles is cause for concern and needs to be addressed, their actual status as Christians is between them and God.
Islam is much harder on homosexuals? Lol since when? Haven't you read a BIBLE? Romans says they should be put to death.
No, it doesn't. The first chapter mentions that all the sins in it are
worthy of death, but not that Christians should put said people to death. In fact, the New Testament simply states that "X action is wrong," never "X action should be punished by X method." The Old Testament laws given to Israel in the desert were to be used to run a country -- not so with the New Testament rules given to Christians. Christians are to submit to the government placed over them, even if that government okays homosexuality, but only as long as that submission doesn't cause them to go against God. And that doesn't prohibit them from using available legal channels(such as our ability to vote, write congress, and hold office, etc.) to oppose such things.
Homosexuality is NOT a lifestyle! There is no one single lifestyle that ANYONE leeds! Homosexuals are just as varied in their lifestyles as anyone else. Of course what fundies mean by this "lifestyle" propoganda is being sexually active.
Yes, we know it doesn't fit the strict definition of "lifestyle," but it's a term that's been used for so long that everyone understands what it means in this context. I didn't come up with it. And no, it isn't limited to "sexually active" people. That's false, as
lust is also adultery. It is, however, a choice that has implications in almost every area that makes up a "lifestyle."
It IS a very unhappy "lifestyle". But why is that? Its not so much to do with the sexuality per se, but the rampant homophobia and unaceptance that goes along with it!
You do know that the vast majority of discrimination and violent crime towards gay people actually comes from
other gay people, right? Hate crimes from heterosexual people are actually quite rare. Even in the famous Matthew Shepherd case, the men who committed the crime were people whom
he had slept with, so their het status is questionable at best. While there are some groups that want to actively persecute homosexuals, they are in the minority, and they are not Christian(whatever they might claim). The vast majority of Christians actually want to
help homosexuals to experience true freedom in Christ, though most simply don't know what to do. I've spoken with quite a few Christians on the issue since becoming a Christian myself last year, and I have
never heard one of them say anything even remotely hateful or spiteful. The number one emotion that comes to the forefront is
concern.
I hardly call the pursuit of happiness short sighted pleasures either.
It depends on what you're trying to derive your happiness from. Some pursuits aren't short-sighted, and others are. The pursuit of happiness derived from homosexuality is one of the pursuits that is short-sighted.
The risk of exposure to HIV is related to a person's behavior, not their sexual orientation! What's important to remember about HIV/AIDS is it is a preventable disease through the use of safe sex practices and by not using drugs. Promiscuity and unsafe sex practices 'causes' AIDS not someone being gay.
Actually, safe sex practices aren't as sufficient as you've been led to believe. The condom is only 70% effective at preventing the spread of AIDS, and does nothing for herpes and HPV, and very little for other STDs. Nice try, though. Monogamous relationships are also a rarity among gay men and women. In studies done in European countries with gay marriage, it has been shown that gay people are much more likely to cheat on their "spouses," and to engage in extremely unsafe sexual practices.
And worldwide 96% of people with the disease are straight so if anything it is a heterosexual disease and most of them are black women in africa. And whats this 1.1% are gay males nonsense? Talk about loading the figures in your favour! 4-15% is an excepted figure by experts so you can safely presume its somewhere in the middle of there maybe around 10%.
No, worldwide only 75% of cases can be attributed to straight people, and only 42% of these are women. You also must realize that many of these reports are from countries where homosexuality is not accepted and not talked about, so the reports of M2M contact will be skewed. Also, many of these countries(such as those in Europe) have removed Christianity and its practices(such as monogamy) far more than has happened in the US and Canada, which would go a long way in explaining the different percentages of gay-to-straight cases in Europe and Africa as opposed to the US.
And yes, whatever you like to believe, the actual percentage of gay people in the US is only 1.1%. 10%(and the more recent 5%) are both loaded figures meant to make gay people seem more numerous than they actually are.
Imagine the scenario 2 gays never had sex before fall in love decided to get married and spend their rest of their lives together and be faithful to one another. How on earth in that scenario could gay sex not be considered even remotely safe. Your logic or lack of it really is baffling.
First, this is almost never the case. Gay men are statistically shown to be far more promiscuous than straight men, and to be far less loyal during "marriage." Where heterosexual marriage has a cheating rate somewhere around 20%, homosexual "marriage" has a cheating rate in excess of 70%.
Second, even in the most ideal conditions there are other health concerns besides STDs. Gay people also have a much higher rate of colon cancer, chronic anal seepage(of fecal matter), impaired immune system(due to immunosuppressive agents in sperm), hemorrhoids, anal fissures, anorectal trauma, retained foreign bodies, exposure to many diseases and pathogens that aren't normally STDs such as salmonella poisoning and other pathogens that are actually
good to have in the intestines, but not anywhere else in or on the body.
Yes, some heterosexual people practice the same acts(you know which ones I'm talking about, especially the main 3, so I'm not going to list them) that cause these problems in homosexuals, but it is far, far rarer than for homosexuals, for whom such practices are actually the norm. In addition to this, there are some exclusively homosexual problems. Only homosexuals are known to get the HHV-8 form of herpes(which leads to cancer within 10 years of contraction over 50% of the time), and only gay males are known to be able to spread Typhoid via their sexual practices.
Lesbian practices are less well-documented, but approximately 93% are reported to have actually had heterosexual sex, and strangely enough the average number of male partners in a lesbian's lifetime is over double that of exclusively heterosexual women, which makes their risk even higher than heterosexual women(especially since they're more likely than heterosexual women to have sex with gay men). Crabs, genital warts, herpes, and chlamydia are common among lesbians, and even the ones who have never had sex with men often have HPV, trichomoniasis, and anogenital warts.
Your ideal scenario is extremely, extremely rare. And even in the ideal scenario, the risk of health problems and diseases is extremely high, and all the condoms and dental dams in the world don't do a thing to change that.
I dont know why so called Christians spend so much energy opposing homosexuals when fornication is running rampant in their own community (heterosexual) and you'd think that would be a far bigger and greater problem that needs tackling especially when nothing is ever said anything about it. Very hypocritical.
You realize that Christains
do oppose these other forms of sexual immorality, right? Yes, they are widespread, but they are accepted cultural norms which makes the fight very difficult -- it is still being fought, though. It just doesn't get as much airtime on the news. Once something has been accepted as a cultural norm, it's very difficult to convince people that it's wrong regardless of their claimed religious affiliation. That's one reason that so much energy is being poured into the fight against homosexuality -- it's much easier to prevent something than to clean up after it. We learned this the hard way with the "free love" and "no fault divorce" movements -- both of which have repercussions that are nothing short of disasterous.
